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From: "Michelle Moffatt" <>
Subject: Re: [POLAND] Re: POLAND-ROOTS-D Digest V02 #819 Ukrainian descent from Pieroghis? / 150 in 3 hours ?
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:31:10 -0700
My grandfather was born in Janowka, tarnopol, Poland as listed on marriage
certificate. Our legs of the family tree have traced grandma to Zbarash,
Poland as birth place. Do I have concrete knowledge, prob not!!! And as
you I will continue to research. My grandmother always said she was
Ukrainian, and that is the language they and my father spoke at home. What
made me deduce, for the time being, that she IS Ukrainian was the way the
food was made as well as the spelling. My grandmother only spoke Ukrainian
but my grandfather spoke several languages, prob simply for survival. T
here has also been talk of the name being changed and at one time it was
german. All of this I am still gathering info on and grab any little bit
of insight in to my past. Everything does offer one just a little bit more
info and just a little bit closer to the truth. Like you, there are many
topics spoke of on the list that offer no advice, insight, interest to me or
my search. Like others I simply hit the delete button. But I do think that
reading the posts offers more knowlegde to our past. I am very new at
researching genealogy and appreciate any new info obout my ancestry that I
Thanks for your insight into my conclusion.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Potereiko" <>
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:03 PM
Subject: [POLAND] Re: POLAND-ROOTS-D Digest V02 #819 Ukrainian descent from
Pieroghis? / 150 in 3 hours ?
> OK, I was going to stop responding to pieroghi talk, because it is
annoying some, and I can understand that. But now the conversation is
really getting interesting and is definitely part of our cultural heritage.
> For those not wanting to read it, you can skip over it, as I do, when I
read messages concerning Prussian military, or anything else that doesn't
immediately interest me.
> I read over what I want and get rid of the rest.
> Two requests, one two Debbie and one to Eve. I would like your recipies
and also methods of parougie production, in detail.
> Please e-mail me directly at
> I am a newbie at making them and I can only produce 35-40 in ten hours,
start to finish. I would be very grateful in learning how to increase my
production tenfold or more, from either one of you.
> The other topic from MIchelle Moffat, how did you conclude based upon the
food you were of Ukrainian descent ?
> It is my understanding, that my grandmother who lived in Wilno (possibly
Vilnius, not really sure, just have Wilno on her Russian Passport for circa
1913/1914), lived among the Jewish people who were her neighbors.
> She was Moslem, of Tatar descent, I believe, spoke a dialect from the
area, which included words of several languages, made parougies, stuffed
cabbage, khoulomi, lung, tsimis, and many other foods of the various ethnic
people who she lived among.
> I am not sure one can come to a conclusion that one is Ukrainian, well one
could, but, I have gone from believing I was Russian/Ukrainian/Polish/Tatar
to believing I was Ukrainian (based upon where my paternal grandfather came
from) to Polish, based upon Petitions for Naturalization, to Tatar based
upon researching mom's side, to the current,
upon everything I have come across.
> In other words, I have gone full circle and added some, including Hebrew,
being listed on two of the grandparent's manifest.
> It is great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> It doesn't matter, since the boundaries were constantly changing.
> I have been enriched by all the nationalities/races, and truely regret
that at times the Ukrainians hated the Poles and the Poles hated the
> Hey, food brings us all together.. We can all appreciate good food, and
enjoy each others companionship and company.
> Edward Potereiko
> I fir
> Wow, Debbie!
> You are good! Fast too! When I make pierogi from start to
> finish in one day, it takes at least 4.5 to 5 hours I think!
> Golabki on the other hand are much faster. I never timed it
> > Well List,
> > With all this weeks talk on Pierogi, I have spent the last 3hrs in the
> > kitchen and made 150 of them. I just put the last batch of them in the
> > My family will have smiles on their faces tonight, but I'm pooped.
> > Please don't talk about cabbage rolls next week or my husband will start
> > harassing me to make some, and they really do take all day! LOL.
> > Regards
> > Debbie Brejniak.
> ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 9 message/rfc822 Date:
Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:41:56 -0700
> From: "Michelle Moffatt"
> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Food
> What I have found interesting about the whole food conversation was
> discovering that the food that we ate was Ukrainian as compared to
> Polish----- our beet soup was borscht and made with meat -----pyrohy was
> made with cheese, sauerkraut, blueberries, plums or whatever else my
> grandmother could muster up-----holubsti ( cabbage rolls) again were made
> with rice and meat. Those are the spellings I remember as a kid. this
> helped me to place some validity on the fact that my grandmother was
> Ukrainian although she was born in Poland. NOw when did they more there??
> so...to all the list members ---- I enjoyed the conversatiions and
> with all the help you give to all of our new genealogists!!!
> Michelle Moffatt
> SIL Coordinator
> ----- Original Message -----
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