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From: "Mary Jo Kuskie" <>
Subject: Re: [POLAND] Female Immigrants Traveling Alone
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 21:43:43 -0500
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Debbie,

She stated Dergross Kurfurst on the Petition for Naturalization, which
wasn't dated until 1940 (several years after her arrival). I know there are
two different ships, Grosser Kurfurst and Kaiser Wilhem Der Grosse, but no
Dergross Kurfurst as she stated. Also neither arrived on 5/1, so she
probably had the date wrong after so many years. Would it be possible that
she could have had the ship wrong? There is a lot of difference between the
Neckar and either of the other names. But she did state 1903 as her arrival,
which would come close to her stating she was 14 upon arrival (she said her
year of birth was 1888). She did list her place of birth as Lipnica on her
Petition for Naturalization, and always told family members she came to live
with an aunt. The 13 year old I found on the mainfest from Nekar was coming
to meet an Uncle that lived in Sayreville, N.J. My grandmother ended up
working in a factory in Helmetta, N.J., which is not far from Sayreville.
Therefore, I still think that could be her, but will do some more searching
as you suggested on the Morse sight and the index card through NARA also.

One last question for anyone that can help. The 13 year old I have found on
the Neckar mainfest listed Lipnica as a place of birth, but Murowana (or
something) like that was written on the mainfest after Lipnica. Is this a
region of Poland? Does anyone know what that refers to in relation to
Lipnica?

Thanks so much for your help.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Debbie" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [POLAND] Female Immigrants Traveling Alone


> Mary Jo?
> You can search by ship but you have to have a surname at least and use a
> range of arrival years.
> For the ship name, do you mean Kaiser Wilhem Der Grosse? Did your
> grandmother state on her Petition that she arrived in 1903? When did she
> file the petition?
>
> If you want to locate all the Piotrowskas (i) who arrived at Ellis
> Island on the Kaiser Wilhem Der Grosse, between say, 1902 and 1906 you
> go to Stephen Morse's search page:
> http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/eidb/ellis.html
>
> type in the surname only, click on female (later go back and look for
> males) click on the dates you want searched, type in the name of the
> ship as it is listed on the site (see "ship spellings"), and then click
> on "old format".
>
> What you'll find (according to the Ellis Island web site, is nothing.
> You can go back and type in the other spelling for this ship (see "ship
> spellings") and you find two women, one of whom is Marianna Piotrowska.
> This woman arrived October 24, 1905 and left from the port of Bremen on
> the ship Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse. This woman was 18. Oops, she was
> deported.
>
> I did a general search on M Piotrowska from 1902 to 1906 and I found a
> few more. This sort of thing goes on and on. You really need to have
> some information that will allow you to distinguish one Marianna
> Piotrowska from another. You can't go by the age that is listed on the
> manifest especially if your ancestor says she was younger than allowed
> when she immigrated. Check the city she's going to, the person she's
> going to and whether she had been in the U.S. previously or had traveled
> back and forth a couple of times.
>
> Something that we miss by using the Ellis Island web site is the "index
> card" for the ship manifest which can be found on microfilm at some
> branches of the NARA or through LDS. Oftentimes the index/soundex card
> will list who the person in question was traveling with. If this
> information is on the index card for Maryanna Piotrowska from Lipnica,
> it might answer some questions.
>
> On Marya Piotrowska's Petition for Naturalization, did she list a place
> of birth? Did you locate her Declaration of Intent? Do you know where
> your grandmother went once she arrived in the U.S.?
>
> Debbie
>
>
> Mary Jo Kuskie wrote:
> > Debbie,
> > My grandmother always told the story of coming the America by herself at
age
> > 14 to come live with an Aunt. I have found, who I believe is my
grandmother
> > in a ship manifest for the Neckar, which arrived from Bremen Germany on
> > 4/30/03. There is a Maryanna Piotrowska (on her naturalization she
indicated
> > Marya), which arrived on the Neckar from Bremen Germany on 4/30/03, who
> > indicated her home as Lipnica, Poland. She is actually listed twice on
the
> > manifest, once as age 11, and a second time as age 13). All matches
with
> > information on her Petition for Naturalization, other than the fact that
she
> > indicated that she arrived on 5/1 on the Dergross Kurfurst (there was no
> > ship by that name arriving on that date). I cannot find that she was
> > traveling with anyone, and the markings look like she was detained.
However,
> > I can't find her name on the list at the end of the manifest for
detained
> > individuals. Therefore, I am to believe that she was travelling alone,
as
> > she always stated to us.
> >
> > Question: Although there is no Dergross Kurfurst that arrived on 5/1,
I
> > wanted to try and access all other manifests for this ship on dates
close to
> > that date. I have tried to find a way to access manifests for other
ships
> > that arrived on other dates, but haven't seemed to find a way.Is there a
way
> > to do this on line if I have the ship name and date of arrival of the
ship?
> >
>
>
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