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From: James Birkholz< >
Subject: [POSEN-L] Mlyn Hamerek = ?Hammermühle?
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:48:24 -0500

Well, let's step back and cogitate for a minute. Does this name appear
often? (Well, more than once?) I mean, this isn't in reference to where
where some visiting uncle from out of town lived, right?
If we can be confident that Mlyn ?Hamerek? is in the parish, we can assume
that it was on one of the millstreams. The most obvious one is the
Margoniner Mühlenfließ which drains out of the Margonin lake a little west
of Margonin and flows NNW to the Netze river, through Nalentscha/Ratschin.
There were also some mills NE of Samotschin. NW of Margonin was a hamlet
called Müllersfelde (Millersfield). It's in the field next to the mills
listed next. On the Polish map it's called Mlynary. On the Margoniner
Mühlenfließ were: the Obermühle, Neu Mühle I and Neu Mühle II, Wesrednik,
Sage Mühle, Much Mühle and Nadolnik Mühle. On the other stream I only find
the Borowo Mühle. HOWEVER, I just remembered, after catching a glimpse in
the corner of my eye, that a "suburb" of Samotschin, was called
"Hammermühle", which almost *has* to be it. This was on the other side of
an open area NW of Samotschin, where two small woods "pinch" together and a
small stream passes through. It had maybe a dozen buildings. If I don't get
you a map image in the next few weeks, remind me, k?

I have the same map series as you (but more area).

I would appreciate a list of any other locations from these Catholic
records that you might put together, to correlate with the German versions.

I'm going to post this to the list, about the Hammerm¨hle guess, to see if
the Polish-savvy members can shed some light, linquistically.

I don't know about 'Kryger' being 'Kruger'. Krüger is a common name, but it
wouldn't hurt to post, regardless. (Oops, I just did.)

James Birkholz


At 9:27 AM 11/3/98, wrote:
>Hi James,
>
>Thanks for your idea that Mlyn is Polish for mill. You are correct and
>in this word the 'l' has the diagonal through it which is sometimes
>written in records at the top of the 'l' making it look like a 't'. I
>am looking for the Polish name Mlyn Hamerek or Hamerck, which appears
>in the 1816 Margonin Catholic parish records.
>
>The German map I have of 1888 unfortunately does not show any of the
>places you mentioned starting with 'H'. My map has the town of
>Margonin in the upper right hand quadrant and the map extends only as
>far north as Karlshö. Is it possible for me to get a copy of the map
>you are using north of Margonin, possibly including the town of
>Szamozin?
>
>Is 1816-1826 too early to be able to find villages? Do you have a map
>that shows the whole Catholic parish of Margonin about 1820-1870?
>
>For some of the researchers on your list of surnames who may be
>interested, I noticed an 1816 record that has a Christopher Kryger, a
>sponsor, miller of Hamerek. Is this surname the same as Krueger or
>Kruger? If so I can send the info to 5 people on the list.
>
>Ruth Stephan

---snip---

>>I wonder if it is "Mlyn Hamerck". I think I've seen the word "Mlyn"
>>as the Polish version of 'Mu"hl' / "mill". I've studied the Kreis
>>Kolmar names pretty thoroughly, but it's not ringing a bell.
>>Here are the German names that start with "H":
>>Hasenberg
>>Hermsthal
>>Hohendorf
>
>>plus
>>Helldorf
>>but it's Polish name was Heliodorowo
>
>>James Birkholz

---snip---

>>>Research: These surnames (except Fiebig) have all been found in the Catholic
>>>parish of Margonin. Some men were shepherds on various estates and
>>>later some were village cobblers. I am searching for a place called
>>>"Mtyn Hamerck" in or near Margonin parish. Can anone clear up this
>>>spelling and location in the general area of Margonin. Some of
>>>these people immigrated in 1873 to Wisconsin, others to Illinois.
>>>I have located many of the wedding and birth dates for these people
>>>in Margonin records, but I still need a birth date and place for
>>>my gggrandfather, Joseph Szmit, born ca. 1820-23 somewhere near or
>>>within Margonin parish.

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