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From: ralph salinger <>
Subject: [POSEN-L] Re: POSEN-D Digest V99 #3
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 06:58:41 +0200


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> Subject:
>
> POSEN-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 3
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> Today's Topics:
> #1 [POSEN-L] Free Online Newsletter - [Jerry Frank <>]
> #2 Re: [POSEN-L] Pagel in Posen [=James Birkholz= <.]
> #3 [POSEN-L] OLLENDORFF []
> #4 [POSEN-L] Thanks for all the respo [Laura Kaatz <]
> #5 Fw: [POSEN-L] towns ["Barbara Brehm" <]
> #6 [POSEN-L] Surnames for Jews [ (Richard I.Schoe]
> #7 [POSEN-L] Vilejnski Gubernia ["" <SHORTSTP@p]
> #8 [POSEN-L] Exin [Joanie Ingraham <>]
> #9 [POSEN-L] Re: EXIN [Donna Timmons <.]
> #10 Re: [POSEN-L] Exin [=James Birkholz= <.]
> #11 [POSEN-L] Palnau ["George W. Whitehead" <gwwhiteh@ca]
> #12 [POSEN-L] Witucki - Padniewo Villa []
> #13 Re: [POSEN-L] Exin []
> #14 [POSEN-L] Towns [Reuben Drefs <>]
> #15 [POSEN-L] LONG DISTANCE CHARGES FO [ (Bob Cole)]
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> Subject: [POSEN-L] Free Online Newsletter - Germans in East Europe
> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 22:56:24 -0700
> From: Jerry Frank <>
> To:
>
> The first newsletter of the Society For German Genealogy in Eastern Europe
> is now available at their website:
> http://www.sggee.org
>
> It contains information about its formation and the founding convention to
> be held in Edmonton, Alberta in July of 1999.
>
> While the roots of this society are among the Germans with origins in
> Volhynia (northwestern Ukraine) and Congress (Russian) Poland, many of
> these people also have ties with other Germans in eastern Europe. It is
> hoped that the society will eventually be able (depending on resources,
> volunteers and membership profiles) to cover much of modern Poland
> territory and perhaps some other fringe areas not currently served by other
> societies.
>
> If you have questions, please direct them to addresses available at the
> website rather than to myself.
>
>
> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
>
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> Subject: Re: [POSEN-L] Pagel in Posen
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:39:35 -0500
> From: =James Birkholz= <>
> To:
>
> 'Sommitschein' is very likely 'Samotschin' which was across the river and a
> little downstream from the town of Wirsitz. It is called 'Szamocin' in
> today's Polish.
>
> James Birkholz
>
>
> At 11:13 AM -0500 1/4/99, Raidene Sticken wrote:
> >Am just starting to look for info on August Pagel (b. 7 March 1845 in
> >Germany) and his wife Leopoldina Kaztepska (b. 9 October 1846 in
> >Germany). They were married in Wirsitz 27 February, 1867, and their
> >oldest child, Anna Augusta, was born in Wirsitz Provinz Posen, Germany
> >on November, 1868. (This info per one of their daughters, somewhat
> >confirmed by newspaper article written about August & Leopoldine.) The
> >article went on to say that they came to the United States from
> >Sommitschein, Germany 1906.
> >
> >I need help to put this all into perspective, since there have been
> >frequent changes in the Posen area. Can anyone help me to identify what
> >these places are called now, and approximately where they are located?
> >
> >Incidentally, all the children of August and Leopoldina Pagel came to
> >America in the late 1890's and early 1900's except for their son Herman
> >Pagel - he remained there where he was a lieutenant in the Prussian Army
> >(I think - the newspaper article said he was in Germany, the great-aunt
> >said Prussian Army.)
> >
> >Would appreciate any assistance.
> >
> >Raidene Sticken
> >
> >
> >
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> Subject: [POSEN-L] OLLENDORFF
> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 14:13:01 +0000
> From:
> To:
>
> > Help needed
> >
> > My gggrandfather, Hermann Gustave OLLENDORFF was born in RAWICZ, POSEN
> > circa 1802. He was a professor opf languages who taught throughout
> > Europe and had children in PARIS (Paul and Gustave) before marrying
> > MARGARET RAMSAY while teaching in EDINBURGH c.1851. They had a son
> > HERMANN (Henry)b.1853, who married MARGARET VINE in SCOTLAND in 1880.
> > before emigrating to CANADA where my grandmother FLORENCE OLLENDORFF was
> > born in 1883. Hermann snr. wrote and published a number of languge books
> > from 1840 to 1860ish. Will gladly exchange information with anyone who
> > could help with:-
> > (a) Where to find the birth of Hermann senior
> > (b)His marriage and/or divorce in Paris
> > (c)The birth of Paul and Gustave
> > (d)Place and date of the birth of Florence in Canada
> > (e)Anything relating to the OLLENDORFFS anywhere
> > (f)Any information on RAWICZ.
> >
> > Happy New Year to all
> >
> > Reuben Jamieson
> > S.Wales
> > <>
> >
>
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> Subject: [POSEN-L] Thanks for all the response!
> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:57:58 -0600
> From: Laura Kaatz <>
> To:
>
> I'd like to thank all who have shed light on my questions... it's no
> wonder that many people go down the wrong genealogical path when seeking
> information from others. I've heard many different versions of where
> these names came from and it certainly seems that the concensus here is
> that they are not derivitive of Jewish names - except for maybe a couple
> that could "go either way." Again, thanks for the help! It's been most
> informative.
>
> Laura Kaatz
>
>
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> Subject: Fw: [POSEN-L] towns
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:57:27 -0800
> From: "Barbara Brehm" <>
> To:
>
> >>Dear James Birkholz, Happy New Year to you, and *Thank you* for all your
> >>time and effort on the list. I would like to address the list and
> >>ask about what the populations of the major Polish cities--and I
> >>would guess that Konin was one--at the turn of the century. I read
> >>somewhere that two million of twelve million population of Poland moved to
> >>the U.S. around the turn of the century. One wonders if like in the U.S.,
> >>there was a migration from the cities? And also, in doing my research
> about
> >>the Wawrzynski family, it appears there was a great deal of movement from
> >>west to east Prussia (and then maybe back again when the borders were
> >>changed after World War II). I had thought that tradesmen were pretty
> much
> >>tied to their area. The names in my family: Arbach (Netherlands!),
> >>Jarzyna, Hoffman (Silesia or Germany?) are not typically ethnic Polish
> >>names. Is this an appropriate query to the list? Best wishes to all,
> Barbara
> >>Warzynski Brehm, AKA toasty warm in sunny San Diego
>
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> Subject: [POSEN-L] Surnames for Jews
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:37:54 -0500 (EST)
> From: (Richard I.Schoen)
> To:
>
> My very limited experience indicates a lack of uniformity of the time
> Jews took surnames. In Posen, I have looked at the records of Jewish
> births, marriages and deaths in Krotoschin from the 1820s. It appeared that
> surnames were common even in the earliest records.
>
> In other areas of Germany, some of my Jewish ancestors seem to have had
> surnames in the 1700s, but in Bavaria I have a copy of the official record
> of my surname being taken by an ancestor in 1817. However, a child born in
> 1813 to him was recorded at the time of birth with his surname.
>
> Richard I. Schoen
>
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> Subject: [POSEN-L] Vilejnski Gubernia
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:30:53 -0800
> From: "" <>
> To:
>
> I am trying to track down information on my gr-grandfather Josef Janowski
> (b. 1862 d. 1949 Springfield, VT) who emigrated to this country in 1910. His
> wife was Helena Niewarovicz. He lived on Staten Island for a couple of years
> and then settled in Springfield, VT. I know that he was from a Russian
> occupied Gubernia in the northeastern section of Poland. My grandmother said
> he was from "Vilejnski Gubernia". Does this make sense to anyone?
>
> -Kathy Kopacz
>
>
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> Subject: [POSEN-L] Exin
> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:08:06 +0000
> From: Joanie Ingraham <>
> To:
>
> Seems like we had a discussion just a little while ago about the town
> of Exin and how to pronounce it. I am trying to help another
> individual and find Exin and Grocholin and the church districts and/or
> Kreis that these towns are connected with.
>
> I am working in threes areas: Schneidemuehl, Kolmar, and Wirsitz. Exin
> is further east (?) from these, but I can't locate Grocholin. Perhaps
> the spelling is off for this one.
>
> Thanks ahead of time for any help you can be for this gal.
>
> Joanie Ingraham
>
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> Subject: [POSEN-L] Re: EXIN
> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:32:24 -0500
> From: Donna Timmons <>
> To:
>
> Joanie Ingraham wrote:
> >
> > Donna-
> >
> > Here is an on-line map that shows Exin, Posen, Prussia.
> >
> > http://www.connect.net/birchwd/Genealogy/GGRA/MapNPosen.html
> >
> > On Polish maps, Posen is Poznan today.
> >
> > Joanie
>
> Joanie: I can't believe I actually found the copies of the records I
> found for Exin so here goes:
> ______________________________________________
>
> desc. of records: AKTA MALZENSTW
>
> volume N: 5 dates covered: 1843-1867
>
> GMINA EWANG. KCYNIA POW. SZULIN
>
> archives: W.A.P BYDGOSZCZ
>
> filmed at: A.D.M WARSZAWA
>
> DATE FILMED: 21 nov 1969
>
> ----------------------------------ANOTHER ROLL
>
> desc. of records AKTA URODZIN MALZ. ZGONOW
>
> volume N4 Dates covered: 1840-1852
>
> GMINA EWANG. KCYNIA POW. SZULIN
>
> archives: W.A.P. BYDGOSZCZ
>
> filmed at: A.D.M. WARSZAWA
>
> date filmed: 21 NOV 1969
> __________________________________ANOTHER ROLL
>
> desc. of records: AKTA URODZIN
>
> volume N: 3 Dates covered: 1851-74
>
> parish: RZYM.KAT.KCYNIA POW. SZULIN
>
> archives: W.A.P. BYDGOSZCZ
>
> filmed at: A.D.M. WARSZAWA
>
> date filmed: 21 NOV 1969
>
> _________________________baptism records
>
> Duplicat Baptisatorum
>
> Parochiae Kcynensis
>
> pro Anno 1851
>
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> Subject: Re: [POSEN-L] Exin
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:50:51 -0500
> From: =James Birkholz= <>
> To:
>
> According to Meyers gazetteer...
>
> Grocholin, noble's estate of 373 persons, Kreis Schubin, Posen.
> Civil reg. office in Exin.
>
> Hope this helps,
> James
> A Montanan in Dallas
>
> This information extracted from:
> "Meyers Orts= und Verkehrs= Lexikon des Deutschen Reichs - 1912"
> ================================================
> (Civil registration offices didn't open until about 1874)
>
> At 4:08 PM -0500 1/5/99, Joanie Ingraham wrote:
> >Seems like we had a discussion just a little while ago about the town
> >of Exin and how to pronounce it. I am trying to help another
> >individual and find Exin and Grocholin and the church districts and/or
> >Kreis that these towns are connected with.
> >
> >I am working in threes areas: Schneidemuehl, Kolmar, and Wirsitz. Exin
> >is further east (?) from these, but I can't locate Grocholin. Perhaps
> >the spelling is off for this one.
> >
> >Thanks ahead of time for any help you can be for this gal.
> >
> >Joanie Ingraham
> >
> >
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> Subject: [POSEN-L] Palnau
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:19:36 -0700 (MST)
> From: "George W. Whitehead" <>
> To:
>
> Has anybody heard of the surname:?
>
> PALNAU
>
> My wife's ancestors were Palnau's, of German heritage and from Congress
> Poland and Volhynia in the mid-1800's
>
> Any help and guidance will be gratefully accepted.
>
> George Whitehead in Calgary AB Canada.
>
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> Subject: [POSEN-L] Witucki - Padniewo Village
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:19:18 EST
> From:
> To:
>
> Looking for parents & siblings of Piotr Witucki, b 1854, Immigr to NY 1887
> with wife, Antonina Madeliewska, children, Rosa, Josef, twins - Marianna and
> Ewa. Ship manifest indicates they came from Padniewo which I believe is
> between Gniesen and Mogilno.
> Thanks for any help.
> Dolores Carr in Carrollton, TX
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [POSEN-L] Exin
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:50:10 -0500 (EST)
> From:
> To:
>
> Dear Joanie,
>
> The von Rosen Family owned the Estate Grocholin. Hans Freiherr von
> Rosen is now in his upper 90's and lives in West Germany. He studied
> agriculture as a young man and then actively managed his estate. He
> was an innovator in introducing new farming practices to the area.
> Moreover, he has writted several books that describe life on the
> Estates in Province Posen. Amoung them are "Grocholin", "Bilanz-das
> deutsche Gut in Posen und Pommerellen", and "Saat und Ernte". Even if
> you don't read German, you may want to consider buying the book
> "Grocholin". It is available on-line in paperback for the German
> booksellers.
>
> Regards, Joel Streich
>
>
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> Subject: [POSEN-L] Towns
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:26:15 -0600 (CST)
> From: Reuben Drefs <>
> To:
>
> Hello
>
> I want to thank everyone that helped on my town query. I am doing a major
> project and have some more unknowns. I will check on the Deutsches Reich
> map at LDS as that seems to be better than my Pommeranian map. I do have
> plenty of maps -- modern and 19th century. But some of these little places
> changed names and the gaz. do not identify. My project covers such a large
> area(East, West Prussia, Posen, Pommerania, Mecklenburg, Poland), so it
> takes alot of resources and I am thankful for this listserve that has been
> helpful. I find one can become an expert in a small area but to know a large
> area takes much more study and resources. Thanks for your help
>
> Reuben
> Reuben Drefs
>
> Researching:Drews(Drefs),Wenzlaff,Jungling,Hiller,
> Semmler,Dux,Isaak,Tschritter,Schulz,Kuhn,Rauter
>
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> Subject: [POSEN-L] LONG DISTANCE CHARGES FOR INTERNET
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:01:55 -0800
> From: (Bob Cole)
> To:
>
> I have now heard this from a couple different sources. We need to let
> our voice be heard. It is likely they will sneak this thru just like the
> "Gore-Tax" on telephone bills to support Internet access in schools and
> libraries. Don't let the mainstream media kid you into thinking
> Washington D.C. is shut down waiting for Clinton's impeachment trial to
> start. The Capitol is its most dangerous when there's an outside
> diversion.
>
> Bob Cole
>
>
> --------- Begin forwarded message ----------
>
> Subject: LONG DISTANCE CHARGES FOR INTERNET
> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 19:18:49 PST
> Message-ID: <>
>
> CNN stated that the Government would in two weeks time decide to allow or
> not allow a charge to your phone bill equal to a long distance call each
> time you access the internet.
>
> The address is http://www.house.gov/writerep/
>
> Please visit the address above and fill out the necessary form! If EACH
> one of us, forward this message on to others in a hurry, we may be able
> to prevent this injustice from happening!
>
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