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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:39:16 +1000

Gidday All,

Thought you might like to look at the monthly paper I send out to the
participants of the DNA Project. Besides this our site is at


Warren in Ballarat, Australia (ex Kiwi).


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> Facts & Genes from Family Tree DNA
> ==================================
> August 11, 2003 Volume 2, Issue 7
> In This Issue
> =============
> Editor's Corner
> In the News: Family Tree DNA Announcements
> Contacting Family Tree DNA
> DNA testing for Native American Ancestry
> Recruiting Participants: Overcoming Fear
> Case Studies in Genetic Genealogy
> Spot Light: Smolenyak Surname Project
> In the Next Issue
> Editor's Corner
> ===============
> Welcome to this issue of Facts & Genes. It is an exciting time at Family
> Tree DNA. Almost every day, we hear from customers regarding discoveries
> they have made using DNA testing. Also, the increase in Surname Projects
> established shows that more people are becoming aware of what DNA testing
> can discover.
> If you would like to have a presentation about DNA testing for an event or
> family reunion, consider playing our video. You can order a copy at no
> charge:
> http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com/surname_video.asp
> This video is 30 minutes in length, and covers Genetic Genealogy, as told
> by our customers.
> We at Family Tree DNA would like to thank everyone for his or her
> suggestions, comments, and submissions. Your input is appreciated. Send
> your comments, suggestions, tips, questions, and tell us about your
> Surname Project to: . We hope you enjoy this
> issue.
> In the News: Family Tree DNA Announcements
> ==========================================
> Family Tree DNA now has over 550 Surname Projects established,
> encompassing over 2500 Surnames when including all the Surname variants!
> Family Tree DNA has a total of over 5000 surnames in our database, which
> includes both individuals and members of Surname Projects. It seems like
> such a short time ago, we were establishing the very first Surname
> Project. Establishing a Surname Project and becoming a Group
> Administrator may seem like an overwhelming task. In fact, it is not. The
> tools provided on our web site for Group Administrators, combined with our
> consultation, enables anyone who has an interest in genealogy to succeed
> as a Group Administrator.
> To establish a Surname Project, contact Bennett Greenspan at:
> If you want to find out if a Project has been established for your
> Surname, you can search at:
> http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp
> Family Tree DNA has simplified our Product offerings. As a result, the
> Native American DNA tests are no longer available as a stand alone test,
> and were incorporated into the Y DNA test and the mtDNA test. These tests
> will determine if a direct male line, for Y DNA, or a direct female line,
> for the mtDNA test, has Native American ancestry.
> Family Tree DNA was again on the road this month, attending the
> International Association of Jewish Genealogists Conference in Washington,
> D.C. Our President, Bennett Greenspan, presented a lecture on DNA testing
> crafted for this specific crowd.
> The Recent Ethnic Origins (REO) database now has 14,316 samples
> representing 113 countries. If it has been a while since you searched the
> REO database, you might want to see your results with the additional
> samples in the database. The database description on the REO results page
> explains the search results.
> Contacting Family Tree DNA
> ==========================
> Family Tree DNA is growing, and recently added personnel and restructured
> to better serve our customers. To get a quick answer to your questions,
> send an email to one of the addressees below. We are proud of our track
> record of quick responses to your emails.
> Contact Topic
> ======================================================================
> Questions
> Mark Price Order status
> Interpretation of results
> Flyers for events
> Max Blankfeld Speakers Bureau
> Suggestions
> Submissions for the Spotlight
> Dexter Montgomery Suggestions/feedback for the newsletter
> Starting a Surname Project
> Bennett Greenspan Interpretation of results
> Payment issues and Billing questions
> Julie Waltham Testing Kit Records and Shipping
> DNA testing for Native American Ancestry
> ========================================
> Many of us in the USA have family legends of a Native American ancestor.
> If you have wondered about this family legend, there are several DNA tests
> that might uncover information.
> Family Tree DNA recently combined the mtDNA test and the mtDNA Native
> American test, and also combined the Y DNA test and the Y DNA Native
> American test, as covered in the article above. As a result, if you
> suspect that the Native American Ancestry is in your direct female Line or
> your direct male Line, you would take either the mtDNA test or the Y DNA
> test. The advantage of the new tests is that you no longer have to
> choose between a test or the Native American version of the test. In
> additon, the new combined Y-DNA or mtDNA test is available at our standard
> prices, reflecting a savings compared to the prior cost for a Native
> American test. You now select the Y DNA or mtDNA test, and the results
> will tell you if you have a Native American ancestor in your direct Line,
> and if not, you still get valuable information about your direct ancestor.
> If you have no idea if your Native American ancestry is in the direct male
> line or the direct female line, you might want to consider the DNAPrint
> test. The DNAPrint test is the only test available in the world to read
> your Ancestral mix from your DNA. Developed by DNAPrint, and available
> from Family Tree DNA, DNAPrint measures a person's Personal Anthropology
> and their corresponding ancestral ethnic proportions. The result of the
> test is a report showing your percentages of each ethnic ancestry or major
> human population group. For example, your result could be 18% Native
> American, 70% European, and 12% African.
> The DNAPrint test would be an excellent test to uncover whether you have
> Native American ancestry. One factor to consider before ordering the
> DNAPrint test, is that in each generation after your Native American
> ancestor, your percentage of Native American is reduced. For example, if
> your parents were a 100% European person and a 100% Native American
> person, the most you could be would be 50% Native American, since you are
> the result of the combination of both your parents. If you then had a
> child with a 100% European spouse, then your child would be no more than
> 25% Native American. If your Native American ancestry was more than 6-7
> generations ago, your results from the DNAPrint test may not reflect any
> Native American ancestry, due to the dilution in each generation, and the
> random aspect of which genes are selected from each parent. However, the
> DNAPrint is the only test that can provide an answer, when your Native
> American ancestry is not in your direct male or female Line.
> Most people of European ancestry are a mixture of two or more of the major
> population groups: European, Native American, East Asian and sub-Saharan
> African. The DNAPrint test results report your mix. If you get a result
> such as 85% European and 15% Asian, this does not mean that you had an
> ancestor that was 100% Chinese. What it means is that you had several
> ancestors who had some component or percentage of Asian ancestry.
> The DNAPrint test is a great opportunity to explore your heritage beyond
> the time of written records. To order the test, click on the link below:
> http://www.familytreeDNA.com/products.html#DNAprintorder
> Recruiting Participants: Overcoming Fear
> ========================================
> The word DNA scares some people. The reason for this fear varies from
> person to person. They could be afraid that the test will uncover some
> genetic defect, either known or unknown. They could be afraid that the
> test will invite some sort of intrusion to their privacy, or uncover some
> unknown information. They could be afraid that the government will get a
> copy of their results, or their insurance company, and deny them coverage.
> They could simply be afraid of the word, since they don't understand what
> it means.
> Lack of knowledge is typically behind fear, and most fears are a function
> of fear of the unknown. Those of us who have had a Genetic Genealogy DNA
> test realize that the DNA tests are harmless genealogical tests. To the
> potential participants, a DNA test could be quite frightening.
> It is important to realize that most potential participants will "not"
> verbalize their fear. Most likely, they will present other objections,
> when the real issue is fear. Realizing that the objections may be smoke
> screens, when the true issue is fear, will help you over come the
> objection. In addition, if you realize that fear is usually an issue for
> most participants, you can begin addressing the objection with your first
> communication. Each communication should have an element that addresses
> the fear.
> Fear is addressed by information, not by addressing the fear directly.
> Telling a potential participant that there is nothing to be afraid of
> wouldn't work. Educating them, providing relevant information, and
> portraying the test as a harmless genealogical test will be more
> effective.
> Consider these two approaches:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Approach A: Extract from an email
> ==================================
> We have started a ABC surname DNA project in hopes of finding
> relationships to other ABC families. Since you have documented your
> genealogy back to Francis ABC, you could be a tremendous help to others
> who are trying to find their ancestors. We need DNA participants from
> the 'reference' ABC lines, like yours.
> Samples from the reference lines can be compared to samples from lines
> that cannot get further back than about 1750-1800, and to lines that
> originate in Europe much earlier. For example, my line stops at James ABC
> b abt 1786 NC. I might be descended from Francis ABC of Duxbury, but my
> DNA test will only tell me that if there is a sample from a known
> descendent of Francis ABC to compare my sample to.
> Participants must be living males with the ABC surname. The sample
> consists of gently swabbing the inside of the cheek.
> We are using Family Tree DNA to perform the test. They have a webpage at:
> http://www.familytreedna.com/
> I hope that you will consider helping us in this endeavor and take a DNA
> test. If you have any questions please contact me or someone else that you
> trust in this area.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Approach B: Extract from a letter
> ==================================
> The XYZ Surname Project was established to utilize new scientific
> discoveries and methodologies to assist us in our Genealogy Research.
> This new field of utilizing testing for genealogy research is called
> Genetic Genealogy.
> Scientists have discovered that a small portion of the Y chromosome, which
> is found only in men, is passed from father to son, virtually unchanged.
> This section of the Y chromosome does "not" have information that defines
> a person, it simply has some markers which are passed from father to son
> unchanged, except for a random mutation about ever 500 generations.
> [Mutation does not signify any thing negative. It is simply a scientific
> term for a change.]
> The test result is a string of 25 numbers, like the results shown for our
> Project in the chart below. These numbers have value when compared to the
> results from another male. By comparing the results, you can tell if the
> two men had a common ancestor, and approximately when the common ancestor
> occurred.
> Our project utilizes this latest technology to determine which Lines of
> the surnames are related. By determining which Lines are related, we will
> scientifically prove:
> - the number of points of origin of the surnames
> - the variants of the surname(s)
> We might also be able to identify the location of the origin of the
> surnames, or at least have clues.
> We have tested 39 people so far in our project, and we are now expanding
> the project to the UK. A brief description of the project is enclosed
> with this letter. By testing a small section of DNA, you can determine if
> two people are related. The result is a string of 25 numbers. A test kit
> is mailed to you, and you swab the inside of your mouth.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> If you pretend for a moment that you know nothing about DNA testing, and
> read the above two examples, which approach develops trust and confidence,
> and removes some of the fear of the unknown?
> Approach B is from a letter mailed to people out of a phonebook, as the
> first contact. The approach keeps the presentation simple, instead of
> technical. The presentation is easy for anyone to understand, and is not
> threatening or scary. The focus is both educating the prospective
> participant and explaining the benefits.
> Every correspondence with a potential participant should be written with
> the understanding that fear will be an issue for many of them. By
> anticipating fear, and addressing this possible objection consistently in
> all correspondence, you can overcome the objection. For example, even
> specifying how many people have participated in the project helps overcome
> fear. When you have a large number of participants, use the figure. The
> potential participant will think: If others are doing it, then, it must be
> ok. If you only have a small number of participants, don't mention the
> count.
> Since potential participants will not usually verbalize fear, a price
> objection is typically the objection they will present instead of the true
> objection of fear. Determining whether price is a true objection, or a
> smoke screen, will take some additional correspondence. A price objection
> could also be based on the benefits not being clear, or the benefits
> presented are not important to the potential participants.
> One approach to determine if a price objection is masking the true
> objection of fear, is to ask the potential participant:
> If I found some sponsors for a portion of the test fee, would you
> participate?
> If fear is an issue, they would either come up with other objections, or
> not respond at all. If price is the true objection, then you should get
> a positive response.
> If you get a positive response confirming a true price objection, you
> could look for sponsors, or contribute a small amount yourself. If the
> potential participant is an older person on a fixed income, a small
> contribution may be significant to them. Those trying to live on $700 per
> month Social Security may not want to eat cat food in order to participate
> in the project.
> Fear is an issue that you will encounter. Plan for fear, by recognizing
> the existence of fear, and writing all correspondence to anticipate this
> issue. Address fear by providing knowledge, and minimizing technical
> terms. Recognize that other objections will be presented by the potential
> participant, instead of the him/her acknowledging fear. Analyze the
> objections to determine if fear is an underlying issue. Ask questions,
> until all the objections are identified. Only then, can you begin to
> address the concerns of the potential participant.
> When the objections are presented to you on a very direct way, such as
> insurance related questions or other family related issues, Family Tree
> DNA has a page that can help you with the answers. The page is called:
> "Testing my DNA? are you nuts?!?!" and can be found here:
> http://www.familytreedna.com/faq_privacy.html
> Case Studies in Genetic Genealogy
> =================================
> In each issue of the Newsletter, we look at what Genetic Genealogy will do
> for your Family History research. This article is a continuation of the
> topic, with situations, called "Case Studies", followed by a
> recommendation. The objective of the case studies is to present different
> situations you may encounter in your family history research, and how DNA
> testing can be applied.
> Case Study
> ==========
> One of the participants in our Surname Project match 20/25 to someone with
> a different surname. Does this mean that they are related? One comes
> from Ireland, and their Line is traced back to the 1800's and the other
> one comes from England, where they have traced their Line to the 1600's.
> Recommendation
> ==============
> The two men are not related in a genealogical time frame. A 20/25 match
> says that any common ancestor is in the very very very distant past. The
> lack of a common Surname also illustrates that the two are not related
> since the adoption of Surnames.
> Spot Light: Smolenyak Surname Project
> ======================================
> The surname Smolenyak can be found scattered around the world, from the
> Ukraine to Antarctica. As a result of three(3) decades of research, it
> was discovered that all the Smolenyaks in the world could trace their
> ancestry back to the village of Osturna, which is located in present day
> Slovakia.
> Records in Osturna dating back to the 1700's show that there were 4
> Smolenyak families in the village, and they had lived in houses 88, 96,
> 103 and 135 for centuries. The paper trail did not provide any proof that
> these households were related, though it seemed reasonable to assume that
> there was a common ancestor for these 4 households.
> The Smolenyak Surname Project was started in January 2001, to determine if
> the 4 households had a common ancestor.
> The first step was to find at least one male descendent from each
> household to test. Luckily, one or more males from each of the households
> had immigrated to the US, and had living male descendents. A participant
> was recruited representing each household.
> >From the genealogical research, it was expected that 3 of the 4
> would match. For various reasons, records for the village are difficult
> to interpret for a significant portion of the 1800s. A member of the
> fourth household, a widower, married a widow, so the resulting family
> included children that were his, hers and theirs. The widow had been
> married to a Vanecko, and the children from all 3 unions casually switched
> back and forth between the Smolenyak and Vanecko names. Due to the
> challenging paper trail, one theory was that one line of descendants who
> use the surname Smolenyak today are actually Vaneckos.
> The results from the 12 Marker test for the 4 participants showed that
> none of them matched!!!
> The results were so surprising, that a second round of testing was done
> with new participants. In this round, a Vanecko was also included. The
> initial round of testing was a 12 Marker test, since that was the only
> test available at that time. By the time the second round of testing was
> started, the 25 Marker test was available, so the 25 Marker test was
> selected.
> The results from the second round of testing confirmed the first round of
> testing. In addition, the Smolenyak who was suspected of being a Vanecko
> had a 25/25 match with the Vanecko who participated.
> It was, of course, disappointing that the descendents of the 3 households
> were not related. On the plus side, everyone was glad they had saved
> themselves countless hours of research trying to find a connection in the
> paper records.
> The Group Administrator, Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak, then decided to expand
> the Project into a Village Project. The objective of the Village Project
> is to test people with Osturna roots, and to eventually have 2
> participants from each surname native to the village. The project is
> progressing, and 25 participants representing 12 surnames have tested.
> The results have been quite interesting. Connections have been confirmed,
> and a few surprises have been found. One surprise was that one Smolenyak
> Line matched a Homza Line.
> The project is now called the Osturna Village Project.
> In the Next Issue
> =================
> We hope you have enjoyed this issue of Facts & Genes. Please feel free to
> contact the editor with your comments, feedback, questions to be
> addressed, as well as suggestions for future articles. If you would like
> your Surname Project featured in our Spotlight column in a future issue,
> please send an email telling us about your project. If you are a Project
> Manager and can help others with tips or suggestions, please contact the
> editor:
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