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From: "Robert D Hemphill" <>
Subject: Re: Research interests
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:44:17 -0800


Hi Dennis, Richard, Melissa and ALL,
I am very interested in this Baptist vs. Quakers in 1658, the books,
"Sun Outshining the Moon" and "Friends in Radnorshire," the BBC-2 TV 1
Dec 2000 program, "Welsh in New York.," and so on. I will see if these
books are available on the library exchange or maybe see if I can
squeeze some dollars out of the budget to buy them. My local Time
Warner cable system does not get BBC. Here's hoping some kind soul will
post the time and date on the POWYS-LIST of any stateside airing of
"Welsh in New York."

I see Hugh Evans came from Newbridge where Llanyre is. I can find
Newbridge and that helps. I need a family tree of the Welsh Baptist
Church. Isn't the church at Swansea the grandmother of them all? I
believe the Olcon (?Sp.) church was among the first followed closely by
Rhydwillim. John Ball, I still don't know how to spell Rhydwilym. Each
of my books spell it differently. There is something wrong about
stateside spelling. I will get it right in time.

One of my wife's lines is headed up by a Welshman, John Wiley, who
settled in Camden, SC, in the mid-1700's. He was an Indian trader who
owned a store in Pine Hill. He is credited with the good relations
between the settlers and the Catawba Indian Tribe which still exist and
lives with us in peace to this day. John gave the land for the Quaker
cemetery in Camden. Many of the graves are marked with stone or brick
but few have inscriptions They did not believe in inscriptions but did
believe in keeping good Meeting House Books.

Please let me hear from you and best regards, Bob Hemphill

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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard John Meredith <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: Research interests


> Hi Dennis!
>
> > "In 1656 there was a vigorous exchange between William Bound and the
Quakers
> > Alexander Parker and John Moon near Rhayader. In 1658 Bound and John
Price,
> > possibly assisted by William Price, published " Sun Outshining the
Moon" in
> > response to Moon's attack on Hugh Evans of Llanyre, the local
General Baptist
> > leader"
>
> That's correct I have parts of this copied from the original documents
in my
> library. Hugh Evans was "of Llanyre" only so much as in Newbridge
village was in
> effect Llanyre village at that time. Hugh and his descendants all
Baptist
> ministers lived at the old Sychbant house - remember it? Hugh was
buried at the
> old Pentref chapel in Newbridge and a plaque to his memory used to be
on the wall
> of the old chapel until it was pulled down in 1880.
>
> > I remember the old Friends Meeting House towards Cilgu farm, west of
Llanyre.
> > We used to go there as kids to their summer Anniversary, tea and
cakes,etc,
> > all very good! Sadly it was burned down some years ago.
>
> It would have been 100 years old two weeks prior to it's demise in
1994. I have
> photos of the inauguration and the first services one of which was
featured in
> the Around Llandrindod Wells book in the section I put together.
>
> > My friend Trevor Macpherson's little book " Friends in Radnorshire"
refers to
> > it and the land that was given to them near Cilgu as a burial ground
in 1656
> > by Goley Morris, and abandoned after many of them left for
Radnor?)
> > Pennsylvania, USA. I was in touch with the Radnor people recently,
try "
> > Radnor.com" if you can. It's a small world now, my wife and I were
on a trip
> > past there last year, but did not know of it then. Must go again one
day,
> > shall we all run a trip to that area, especially after the BBC2 TV
programme
> > "Welsh in New York", etc, yesterday? Did you see it? There is
another one
> > next Thursday evening.
>
> I helped Trevor with the info in his book as I have some of the
original deeds
> and documents referring to the land and houses of worship in the area.
He
> neglected to credit me but that's no real problem. The original site
for the
> quaker burial ground at Llanyre was two fields east of the Grofty
farmhouse and
> was willed to the Society of Friends by Goleu Morris a widow of nearby
Cilgu
> farm. The document ensured the Friends rights to that property for 99
years.
> There were burials in that plot over the next couple of centuries but
as Quakers
> in our area were not big on MI's, most memorials were plain and of
wood which
> quickly decayed in our harsh climate.
> The site itself was ploughed and levelled between the World Wars after
being in
> disuse for just over 100 years.
> Recently there was mention made in some papers and magazines about
"stones" from
> that site turning up or newly discovered as parts of garden paving or
granary
> steps locally on several farms.
> Upon examination, none of those purported to be "Quaker" stones were
anything to
> with the old site. My investigation proved them to be the "offcuts"
or "seconds"
> from the Memorial Stonemason Stephen Games, who practised in our
village until
> the 1880's. He was based at Bridge Hill where Dr Fred Slater now
lives.
> Fred has any number of these phantom tombstones in his garden paving
to this day.
>
> Best wishes as always,
>
>
> Richard
>
> --
>
> Richard J. Meredith
> Professional Welsh Historian & Genealogist
> Mayfair Research Services
> 3230 32nd Way
> West Palm Beach
> Fl, 33407
> http://genealogypro.com/mayfair-research.html
>

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