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From: JAMES NORRIS <>
Subject: Re: Elias and Edward Jones
Date: 18 Mar 2001 19:57:40 +0000


Very many thanks Stan and Justine,

You are absolutely right about the plausibility of this one. An email friend in New Zealand wants it to be the right one as much as I do, because this Edward's sister was her great great grandmother on good evidence. But, and there is always a but, the father is an Ellis Jones, not an Elias, and my Edward was definite that his was an Elias. Moreover, I need to know the trade or profession of Ellis himself. If he turns out to be a shoemaker I shall be delighted. I am waiting for the Denbigh archives to send me a copy of the parish register entry, which will show his trade.

I wonder whether you or any other member of the Powys list could tell me about the relationship between the names Elias and Ellis. Reputable scholars (P.H. Reaney for instance) think Ellis is just one of several variants of Elias. A Welsh-speaking archivist consulted by me at Hawarden thinks that Ellis is a separate name, and that a Welsh father and mothers would not confuse the two. If you ask for Elias on the IGI you get many Ellises and few Eliases, which is a shame.

Thanks again for your interest.
Jim Norris

On Sun, 18 March 2001, STAN AND JUSTINE ORME wrote:

>
> Hi Jim,
> have you looked on the IGI - I just had a quick look and if the birth year is
> correct then there is one possibility, in all there are only 6 possibilities
> which could give you a starting point - the one that caught my eye was Edward
> Jones born/christened 8/5/1831 to Elias and Catherine, in Llanfair, Denbigh.
> Remember that the IGI is a guide only, a very useful tool but totally not to be
> trusted.
>
> cheers & happy searching
>
> Justine
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > > I have noticed with interest and occasional envy that listers with
> > ancestors called Jones are making progress in their research, while my
> > mention on more than one occasion of my great grandfather Edward Jones and
> > his father Elias Jones has yielded only one reply. That was much
> > appreciated, but the evidence remains untested.
> > >
> > > So please let me try once more. Edward married Mary Ann Willoughby and
> > settled in St. Marylebone. On his marriage certificate in 1863 he declared
> > that he was a soldier and that his father was Elias Jones, shoemaker. His
> > own trade after leaving the army at some time between 1863 and 1866 was also
> > shoemaking.
> > >
> > > Edward Jones said at the 1881 census for St. Marylebone that he was 50 and
> > born in Wales, and by the time he died towards the end of that year he was
> > said to be 51.
> > >
> > > There were three children - Harriet Maria (1866), William Henry (1868) and
> > Charles Edward or Edwin (1875). Harriet stayed in St. Marylebone and became
> > my grandmother. I believe it possible that William became a soldier. Charles
> > married a Cornish girl and went to live in her home village of Mevagissey.
> > >
> > > Jim Norris
> > >
> > > ______________________________

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