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From: "Paul Vivash" <>
Subject: Re: CHARLES/ EDWARDS (N0n-Gen)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:08:31 -0000
References: <20020225.143717.-688895.1.mahughes4@juno.com> <041e01c1be66$3bcb37c0$2becfc3e@y0c3a5>

Hi David!

Living in Wales, we take "Wales on Sunday" which had an interesting article
this week comparing the legendary Barry John with Jonny Wilkinson, the
current England player. This arose from Jonny being tagged the new English
"Barry John" and used various criteria which resulted in a points victory
for Barry but the concensus was that it was quite a close-run thing with
Jonny having time to catch up.

The only area where Barry clearly lagged behind was "tackling" but I imagine
he was too busy scoring and making tries to have much time or need for that



----- Original Message -----
From: "davspark" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: CHARLES/ EDWARDS (N0n-Gen)

> Hi,
> I know it's not all that interesting but it is rather curious. In your
> e-mail you mention two of the greatest ever Welsh footballers, John
> and Mark Hughes ! If you could find a Gareth Edwards and a David Watkins
> would also have a couple of great Welsh Rugby players !
> David Spark
> (Leeds, UK)
> I use Archive CD Books in my research.
> The Archive CD Books Project
> http://www.archivecdbooks.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark A Hughes" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:37 PM
> > Hello list. I have the marriage record for a John CHARLES and Mary
> > EDWARDS in Wales on 14 May 1841. My great-great grandparents were named
> > John CHARLES (b. abt. 1810) and Mary EDWARDS (b. abt. 1820). They came
> > to the US from Wales in about 1852, settling in Meigs co., Ohio. I
> > believe the John and Mary on this marriage record to be them.
> > According to the marriage record, John and his father, Charles
> > CHARLES, were both coal miners. My great grandfather, Charles CHARLES
> > and his father John (the immigrant) were coal miners. Mary's father is
> > given as John EDWARDS, and he was a shoemaker. John and Maryare both
> > listed as residents of Brynmawr.
> > I have also found record of a David CHARLES who died 11 Feb 1887 in
> > Jackson co., Ohio. He lived in the same town where some of John and
> > Mary's children were living. He had also lived near them before in
> > county. His death record states that his parents were Charles CHARLES
> > Mary JONES. He was born about 1820 in Wales. I think it is possible
> > that he was a brother to my John CHARLES. I did a search on the FreeBMD
> > web site for a David CHARLES who married an ANN (his wife was named Ann
> > on the 1870 Ohio census). There was a hit for a David CHARLES who
> > married in 1844 in the Crickhowell district, which is where John CHARLES
> > and Mary EDWARDS were married. There is an Ann WATKINS on the same
> > volume and page. Perhaps this is the marriage for the David CHARLES who
> > died in Jackson county, Ohio.
> > I would love to hear from anybody who is researching these families.
> > I was also wondering about the 1841 Wales census. I am not very
> > with Welsh records, as I am just beginning to research this part of my
> > ancestry. Would it be likely for me to be able to find John and Mary in
> > Brynmawr in 1841 on the census? I think I read that the 1841 census was
> > taken in June of 1841. They were residents there in May of 1841 when
> > they married. I am hoping to find them and maybe their parents'
> > on the 1841 census. If I could get their ages off the census it might
> > help me make a more concrete link between my John and Mary and the ones
> > on the marriage record I have. On it, it was stated that both John and
> > Mary were "of full age", so that didn't help any. Some kind people from
> > the BlaenauGwent list have looked at the index for Brynmawr in the 1851
> > census, but could not find these families.
> > Thanks,
> > Mark Hughes
> > Columbus, Ohio
> >
> >
> >
> >

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