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From: bj <>
Subject: re-[POWYS] Thomas Ashton (b. Trefeglwys 1794) in Monmouthshire 1851-1871
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:13:44 +0000
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Hello Alison,
I think I have uncovered a 'can of worms' concerning Jane and Thomas!
Don't think there are 2 Thomas Ashton's born 1794. I believe the Thomas
Ashton on Clatter in 1881 was the same one I found on 1861 and 1871
census at Llangunidr:-
1861 census:-
Ty Isaf, Llangynidr, Breconshire
RG9 4216/f113/p44
HOWELLS Richard, h, m, 49, farmer, BRE Llangynidr,
HOWELLS Jennet, w, m, 35, , BRE Cantref,
HOWELLS John, s, u, 23, farmer's son, BRE Llangynidr,
HOWELLS David, s, , 1, , BRE Llangynidr,
HOWELLS Jemima, d, , 9, , BRE Llangynidr,
JAMES Elizabeth, sv, u, 16, domestic servant, BRE Llangynidr,
ASHTON Thomas, sv, m, 67, farm labourer, MGY Trefeglwys,
1871 census:-
RG10-5584/f96/p29
Prince Town, Llangynidr, Breconshire
DAVIES Benjamin, h, m, 39, farm labourer, BRE Llangynidr,
DAVIES Jane, w, m, 47,, BRE Llangynidr,
ASHTON Thomas, ld, w, 76, farm labourer, MGY Llanidloes,
Probably Thomas had enough and wanted to get back to his beloved home in
Trefeglwys?
Remember, the 1851 census at Tredegar, Monmouthshire:-
>> H0107-2448-67-9
>>
>> 20, Queens Square, Tredegar
>>
>> Ashton Thomas h m 57 grocers porter Trefeglwys, MGY
>> Ashton Roger s u 30 coacher ,, ,,
>> Ashton John s u 23 coacher ,, ,,
>> Ashton David s u 21 dragger ,, ,,
>> Ashton Ann d u 26 ,, ,,
Notice that the boys are coachers and dragger (more likely dragsman)
These occupations are tied in with stage coach or carriage used in
public transport. Could the family minus Jane have come to Tredegar?
I thought it doubtful until I found this on 1851 census at Trefeglwys:-
Newtown Enumeration District, Parish of Trefeglwys
Bronhaul,
H0107-2496/f329/p4
ASHTON Jane, h, m, 57, Weaver, flannel, MGY Trefeglwys,
ASHTON Richard, s, u, 17, Weaver, flannel, MGY Trefeglwys,
ASHTON William, s, u, 15, Deaf & Dumb, MGY Trefeglwys,
She is shown as married as well!
Have you found Jane on 1861 census at Montgomery? I thought I had a copy
but must have lent it out!
This is Thomas Ashton and Jane in 1841:-
H0107-1436 ED7
description:- From Penycor to Cwmbwnant in an easterly direction
RD of Llanidloes Lower. Parish of Trefeglwys, Township of Dolgwden and
Bodaioch (part of) Township.
Place was called Grand....?? not very clear. There was a place called
Talgarth Mill nearby.
Thomas Ashton 45 weaver Y
Jane Ashton 45 Y
David Ashton 10 Y
Richard Ashton 7 Y
William Ashton 5 Y
David would be the right age in 1851. Their other children may have been
scattered around as servants in 1841. Will have to scour the area for
Roger, but if he was a 'coacher' at that time he may even have been in
Monmouthshire! Monmouthshire 1841 is not indexed by surname, may be
another few months or so?
Not sure if Margaret Brownrigg's Charles Ashton's father was Thomas
Ashton?
What do you think, so far. The deaths of Thomas and Jane seem to tie in
as well. Where were they buried?
best regards
Barrie Jones, Gwent
In message Alison Bryan <> writes:-
>Barrie
>
>Thanks for this info, and its really useful even though frustrating.
>Now we start to get our families crossed, and there is a need to
>untangle this. Who's up for a puzzle?
>
>Is this guy 'your' Thomas, i.e. you a descendant from him?
>
>From your info, and mine, looks like there were 2 x Thomas Ashtons
>about the same age.
>
>The Thomas you give info about, from Tredegar, do you have any idea
>where he is buried? i.e. I want a gravestone, with an inscription
>with his wife's name on the slab!
>
>As for mine. Information I definately know - my Thomas Ashton was
>alive and kicking in 1881, and is recorded on the 1881 as:
>
>Thomas ASHTON
>Head W Male 87 Trefeglwys,
>Montgomery, Wales Agrucal Labourer
>Dwelling Clatter Cottage
>Census Place Llanwnog, Montgomery, Wales
>
>He is living here with his son and grandson (who I know about, and
>thus can definately verify this Thomas as mine).
>
>By 1891, Thomas is nowhere to be found, and given his age I can
>safely(?) assume he has popped his clogs, so I go looking for his
>burial. He is not buried at Clatter, as with my later Ashton mob, so
>my next assumption is burial at Trefeglwys.
>
>I got this:
>
>In memory of
>Jane
>wife of Thomas Ashton
>of Bronhaul
>who died July 26 1861
>aged 67 years
>also of the aboved named
>Thomas Ashton
>who died Feb 27 1886
>Aged 92 years
>
>The age / decade of death fits, therefore I assume this is mine. My
>theory that this has to be mine, unless there was 2 x Thomas Ashtons
>to live until their 90s? Do you know when the Tredegar guy died?
>Buried down south, or back up north?
>
>Now I.G.I. ties this burial in with a marriage of Thomas Ashton and
>Jane Owen! Either I.G.I. is wrong somewhere, or there are indeed 2 x
>John and Jane.
>
>Barrie - your (is it yours?) Thomas, do you have a census record that
>says Jane on it? The one you posted to this list, which year is it?
>
>The is the IGI entry for marriage + christening, I've copied onto my blog here:
>
>http://www.alisonbryan.com/notes/archives/000284.html
>
>The marriage bit fits, in terms of his eldest son's age: Thomas
>Ashton, which the census info has him being born c1820.
>
>Are we saying that there was 2 x Thomas Ashtons married at that time,
>in Trefeglwys?
>
>However, the christening does not fit in with my census data ... and
>there is a 3 year discrepancy. My census data / death says he was
>born in 1794, and this IGI one is 1797. Therefore I am left with
>serious doubts as to whether this one is mine, or the data has been
>transcribed wrongly.
>
>Incidentally, this christening of this Thomas Ashton has John and
>Elizabeth Savage as his parents.
>
>I am assuming that we need to take IGI with a pinch of salt, and there
>is a need to go back to the original records?
>
>I'm still waiting for my Bill Barker CD, my sister brought it me / has
>it ... and I'm trying to get it to leave Massachusetts (where she
>lives). It apparently is sitting on her coffee table and she needs to
>get her bum in the direction of the post office. She doesn't
>understand the urgency, to satisfy my burning curiousity.
>
>Anyone got any ideas how to unravel this ... that's if you still
>follow what I'm waffling about! If you do, you deserve a prize. :-)
>
>btw I'm told the 1871 census for Ashton on Ancestry, it just returns
>the 1881 one. A nuisance.
>
>Alison
>http://www.alisonbryan.com/notes
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