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From: Larry Perez <>
Subject: [PRUSSIA] Re: PRUSSIA-ROOTS-D Digest V99 #618
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:33:53 -0700


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> #1 Re: [PRUSSIA] Has family name been ["Bernarda Kragten" <]
> #2 Re: [PRUSSIA] Wugarten [vicki sanow <>]
> #3 [PRUSSIA] Re: Ortssuche ["Michael Palmer" <]
> #4 [PRUSSIA] Re. Ortssuche ["Dieter Schimmelpfennig" <dieter@s]
> #5 [PRUSSIA] Help needed in understan []
> #6 [PRUSSIA] New to Prussian research []
> #7 [PRUSSIA] ODYA []
> #8 Re: [PRUSSIA] Ortssuche [ (Adalbert Goe]
> #9 Re: [PRUSSIA] Ortssuche/Polish Ger ["Jeff Banke" <>]
> #10 Re: [PRUSSIA] Morris / Heiney [Gwendalynn Dunn <]
> #11 [PRUSSIA] Re: Surname Seefeldt [Scott Skinner <]
> #12 Re: [PRUSSIA] Morris / Heiney ["Paul Allen" <>]
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> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA] Has family name been changed?
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:20:33 +0200
> From: "Bernarda Kragten" <>
> To:
>
> Hi Karen,
>
> Lots of familynames have changed and were often written in different
> ways. Lot of people could not read or write untill 1900 and names were
> written how the sound or how the writer thought he must write it down.
> Schendel could also be something like Schaendel, Schindel, Schindler,
> etc. and al these names sound very german to me. Besides that: how
> does a surname have to sound to be "Prussian"? I don't think you can
> talk about something like "Prussian" surnames. Germany was never a
> country and Prussian neither. Germany existed of kingdoms etc. and the
> Prussia you're talking about (late 1800) are these kingdoms etc. who
> were the Prussia that existed after Napoleon. In a great area people
> didn't speak german, but "Platt" that sounds more like Dutch than
> Deutsch. If you want to know something more about this matter, try to
> read some
> history books. That helps.
>
> Nevertheless, thera are about 900 Schendel's listed in the german
> phone directory (1999), none of them in Koenigsberg, Bayern or in
> Koenigsberg bei Wittstock, Dosse. I don't know if there are other
> place with that name, but after more than hundred years you cannot
> really expect to find them there, its just luck if you do.
>
> Did you try the LDS page already find out more about your familynames?
>
> Good luck and regards,
> Bernarda.
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Karen Lynch <>
> Aan: <>
> Datum: vrijdag 27 augustus 1999 14:47
> Onderwerp: [PRUSSIA] Has family name been changed?
>
> >Hi everyone,
> >I would like to know if anyone has heard of the SCHENDEL surname in
> >Konigsberg, Prussia. I have searched many surname lists and cannot
> find
> >this name listed. I have the cd German Genealogy Research Guide and
> the
> >Schendel name is not there either. I am no expert, but this does not
> >sound like most of the names I see coming from Prussia. My
> grandfather
> >was there late 1800's. Can someone please tell me if this is the
> >correct name?
> >Thank you,
> >Ciao Karen Lynch
> >Researching: SCHENDEL from Konigsberg/Prussia, RUTTLER from
> >Berlin/Prussia, BURANDT from Germany, WEISER from Germany, GEIB and
> KEIB
> >from Alsasce-Lorraine, MILLER ?
> >PALUMBO, ANDREANA, CUOCO, D'ORLANDO, COLANGELO from
> >Accadia/Foggia/Italy.
> >LYNCH from Ireland.
> >NADEAU from French Canadian and France.
> >
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> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA] Wugarten
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:54:06 -0600
> From: vicki sanow <>
> To:
>
> James Johnston wrote:
> >
> > Hi to all,
> > I am trying to trace my ancestors Buchholz who came from the village of
> > Wugarten in Kr. Freideberg. in 1863. Does anyone know if civil / church
> > records still survive for this village and if so who do I contact about
> > getting information. Thanks
> > Wayne Johnston
> > in Australia
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> Hi Wayne,
> My Standke great-grandparents were also from Wugarten, and like
> you I would like to find the church/civil records, which have not been
> filmed by the LDS. However, they have one source that might be helpful
> for you.
> They have a set of microfiche, # 6109219, called
> Auswanderungskartei, card file of emigrants leaving the government
> district of Frankfurt o.d. Oder, Brandenburg. The card front includes,
> name of head of household; age; occupation; residence, both town and
> Kreis; a date, which may be the emigration application date; and
> destination, written as North America, Australia, or elsewhere. The
> card back lists name of wife, including maiden name; age; names of
> children and ages; names and ages of any other family members, such as
> stepchildren, inlaws, sometimes single siblings.
> The time frame of these cards is roughly 1830s to 1890s. I've
> found it to be more complete and helpful than passenger lists. If you
> don't have access to a LDS library, I visit my local one every Thursday
> and could check for your surnames.
> Best wishes, Vicki Sanow
>
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> Subject: [PRUSSIA] Re: Ortssuche
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:59:47 -800
> From: "Michael Palmer" <>
> To:
>
> On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, "Dieter Schimmelpfennig"
> <> wrote:
>
> > In welchem Teil Ostpreussens war der Ort BOLGEHNEN zu finden ?
> >
> > To which part of Eastprussia did the village ( town ? ) BOLGEHNEN
> > belong?
>
> BOLLGEHNEN was an estate (Gut), population 75 (1911), in Landkreis
> K"onigsberg, approximately 20 kilometers north of K"onigsberg. In the
> 1930's it was incorporated into Uggehnen (Russian = Matrosovo).
> Standesamt and ev. Kirche in Powunden (Russian = Hrabrovo).
>
> Microfilm copies of the Puwunden Kirchenb"ucher for 1738-1813/19, prepared
> by the Reichsstelle f"ur Sippenforschung/Reichssippenamt, survive in the
> Deutsche Zentralstelle f"ur Genealogie in Leipzig, Nr. B1172-1177.
> Kirchenbuchduplikate for 1813-1874 survive in the Geheimes Staatsarchiv
> Preussischer Kulturbesitz in Berlin, VIII. Hauptabteilung. The Family
> History Library in Salt Lake City has copies of the microfilms for
> 1738-1813/19 and microfilm copies of the Kirchenbuchduplikate for
> 1813-1874, and you can borrow copies of these microfilms through any LDS
> (Mormon) Family History Center.
>
> Michael Palmer
> ---
> Michael Palmer
> Claremont, California
>
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> Subject: [PRUSSIA] Re. Ortssuche
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:20:49 +0200
> From: "Dieter Schimmelpfennig" <>
> To:
>
> I have to thank everyone who helped me with informations about the village
> BOLLGEHNEN / Eastprussia.
> Ich danke allen, die mir mit Informationen ├╝ber BOLLGEHNEN / Ostpreussen
> geholfen haben.
>
> Dieter Schimmelpfennig
>
> http://www.schimmelpfennigweb.de
> Die Genealogie der Familie Schimmelpfennig
> The Genealogy of the Schimmelpfennig Family
>
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> Subject: [PRUSSIA] Help needed in understanding 1819 Prussian marriage record dates
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:52:08 EDT
> From:
> To:
>
> A marriage record has been found in the Munich archives that is listed as
> follows:
>
> Carl Zaelke and Caroline Preuss
> 1. entry 08.05.1819 in Frankfurt/Oder
> 2. entry 09.05.1819 Brandenburg.
>
> Why would two dates be listed? Which is the true place of the marriage that
> might help in narrowing search for more about the family?
>
> My guess why two dates are listed is that the first is the actual marriage
> and the second is the recording at a higher governmental level.
>
> Any insight to this problem is greatly appreciated. John in Santa Barbara
>
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> Subject: [PRUSSIA] New to Prussian research
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:10:04 EDT
> From:
> To:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm new to the list and also to Prussian research. I'm hoping someone can
> get me pointed in the right direction.
>
> My maternal grandparents were both from "Germany." The best info I have as
> to location is the birthplace of my grandfather's half sister, given as
> County of Walrode, Town of Weisendorf, South Prussia. Does anyone know where
> this might have been or what it is today? I'm assuming it was actually
> somewhere in East Prussia. I also have several death certificates from the
> early to mid 1900s of family members listing their birthplaces as
> (invariably) "Russia Poland." Does this term refer to a specific area?
>
> Also, if anyone is researching the following people or families I'd love to
> hear from you:
>
> William/Wilhelm WITZKE, b abt 1860 in Germany, d abt 1918 in Cleveland, OH,
> USA
>
> William's wife Charlotte/Scharlotta WITZKE, b 20 Mar 1862 in "Russia Poland,"
> d 7 Mar 1936 in Cleveland, OH, USA
>
> Charlotte's parents Henry WITZKE & Louise HOWARTZ, both born "Russia Poland"
>
> The DEY family...I have very little info on them. Father of this family was
> Julius, b abt 1865; children by two different wives were Emma b 1892, Jacob b
> 1893, Edward, Herman, Henry, & William. Jacob and Emma and possibly other
> siblings emigrated to America in the early 1900s.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Gail Headlee
>
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> Subject: [PRUSSIA] ODYA
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:59:18 EDT
> From:
> To:
>
> Hi! I'm new to this list so I thought I'd introduce myself. My name is
> Gabrielle Ophals and I have been researching my family tree for 4 years and
> I'm finally getting around to embarking on the German lines. My
> great-great-grandfather John ODYA was born in Lonk c. 1861. He emigrated c.
> 1880 to NYC. His father's name was August, I don't know his mother's name.
> I was hoping someone would have an idea as to where I could send a request
> letter in Lonk. I don't really know anything about vital records in 19th
> century Germany.
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
> Gabrielle Ophals
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA] Ortssuche
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:20:20 GMT
> From: (Adalbert Goertz)
> To:
>
> From: "Pat Speers" <>
>
> re:
>
> Julian,
>
> Maybe this is the URL http://www.atsnotes.com/other/gerpol.html but I don't
> see BOLGEHNEN listed.
>
> Pat
>
> Adalbert goertz responds:
>
> As posted before:
> Bolgehnen, Landkreis Koenigsberg, Kirchspiel Powunden.
>
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> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA] Ortssuche/Polish German names
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:34:36 -0700
> From: "Jeff Banke" <>
> To:
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> This is a site with both Gernan and Polish names
>
> http://www.atsnotes.com/other/gerpol.html
>
> Jeff Banke
>
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> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA] Morris / Heiney
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:02:57 -0500
> From: Gwendalynn Dunn <>
> To:
>
> I don't know whether I can help you at all, but my father said that his step-mother's ancestors came from Oldenburg and that they spoke Platt Deutsch which is Low German. I don't know of the other areas that spoke this type of German, because I am doing my research mainly in the Neumark area and Western area of Posen,Prussia which borders on the Neumark area. My ancestors spoke a type of German closer to the textbook German,
> but some of the pronunciations are a bit different.
> Good luck in your research,
> Gwendalynn Gohlke Dunn
>
> Janet Lyons wrote:
>
> > Thank you, Joe. Morris is just a good name for many countries! Wayne, the actor, could have been German, too.
> >
> > I'm searching for HEINEY in Prussia. Peter A. HEINEY, born in 1840, came to America with two brothers, all quite young. He was wounded in Tenn. as a Civil War soldier. He married Rosa KINTZ and ran a saloon and boarding house/hotel in Iowa City, Iowa. He died in 1880. His daughter, my grandmother, spoke Low German. That, and the military record of his being from Prussia, are my only clues as to his origin. Help, anybody???
> >
> > Jane in Iowa
> >
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> Subject: [PRUSSIA] Re: Surname Seefeldt
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:24:49 +0100
> From: Scott Skinner <>
> To:
>
> My maiden name is Seefeldt and I have searched back my family tree to
> Uckermark in the 19th century. Does anyone have any information
> regarding this family.Elaine Seefeldt Skinner
>
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> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA] Morris / Heiney
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:33:42 -0400
> From: "Paul Allen" <>
> To:
>
> Hi.....
>
> Low German, or Old Saxon was spoken in eastern Holland, northern Germany,
> and parts of Poland, and southern scandinavian countries. Each country
> looked upon it as a dialect of their own....and called it slightly different
> names. The platt you mentioned was spoken quite a bit in Pommerania,
> Prussia...and the German communities in Russian-Poland along the Vistula.
> Although looked down upon today, and generally in decline....it once was THE
> language of trade for the Baltic area.....and was used by the old Hanseatic
> League.
> Joan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gwendalynn Dunn <>
> To: <>
> Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA] Morris / Heiney
>
> > I don't know whether I can help you at all, but my father said that
> his step-mother's ancestors came from Oldenburg and that they spoke Platt
> Deutsch which is Low German. I don't know of the other areas that spoke
> this type of German, because I am doing my research mainly in the Neumark
> area and Western area of Posen,Prussia which borders on the Neumark area.
> My ancestors spoke a type of German closer to the textbook German,
> >but some of the pronunciations are a bit different.
> > Good luck in your research,
> > Gwendalynn Gohlke Dunn
> >
> >Janet Lyons wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you, Joe. Morris is just a good name for many countries! Wayne,
> the actor, could have been German, too.
> >>
> >> I'm searching for HEINEY in Prussia. Peter A. HEINEY, born in 1840, came
> to America with two brothers, all quite young. He was wounded in Tenn. as a
> Civil War soldier. He married Rosa KINTZ and ran a saloon and boarding
> house/hotel in Iowa City, Iowa. He died in 1880. His daughter, my
> grandmother, spoke Low German. That, and the military record of his being
> from Prussia, are my only clues as to his origin. Help, anybody???
> >>
> >> Jane in Iowa
> >>
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