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From: Albert Muth <>
Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] working with images at the Polish State Archives
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 14:45:39 -0500
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I have already answered Claudine privately, since she is
an SGGEE member (this is an organization dealing with
German ancestry in Russian Poland and Volhynia, or Western

The SGGEE journals are available to members only. My article
was published in PGSM's Eaglet, SGGEE's Journal, and
is slated for reprint in two other journals as well.

However, many free resources can be found at the SGGEE website

Templates for records are at SGGEE website
Opening page, find the tab "research", then
look for translation aids. Both Polish and Russian
available here.

Then, for another set of options, go back to start page.
Find "research" tab again.
Then "database links"
then "SGGEE public"

When this page opens, look for the second huge green bullet
for Trinity Lutheran Church - Lublin.
While the example of record types page is helpful (see,
the page that is a MUST consult is This is
worth looking at for anyone looking at records from Poland written in
Russian, whether Lutheran, Catholic or Jewish.

The Lublin Project is one of SGGEE's prides and joys. Many of you are
with the LDS project involving Catholic records from Lublin archives. The
Lutheran ones were filmed ie digital images taken at the same time. For a
short history, see

Al Muth

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Claudine Schlieffers <
> wrote:

> Dear Al,
> Would you kindly tell a novice (definitely in the Konin dept) where to
> find that article you mentioned that explains how to find these documents?
> I am new to SGEE and finding it all very hard to navigate!
> Is there somewhere a list of basic polish translations as well as a
> template for the Russian documents? Sorry if this question has probably
> been asked a million times!
> Many thanks!
> Claudine
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> It is amazing how quickly news travels nowadays. Someone already reported
> on another mailing list that records through 1907 were already up for the
> Konin Evangelical parish. And another reader in Germany found a few more
> years worth. New records to look at? I am SO there. (I happen to have
> already indexed marriages 1826-1880 from Konin for SGGEE
> I guess we should not be surprised that Konin evangelical records were
> posted a bit earlier; after all, it's one of the archives that has been
> loading images for months now anyway in the Beta project. Since
> instructions on using the site are seriously lacking there, I wish to add a
> few more to the ones that were part of my article that was printed in the
> summer 2012 Eaglet, reprinted December 2012 in SGGEE Journal, and
> elsewhere.
> Today's hint has to do with image quality.
> Finding images to look at is half the battle, and to learn how to do that,
> I refer you back to my article. Once you find them and can see them,
> however, what can you do with them?
> Images are found, 10 to a page (screen). Images 1-10 are on page 1. Images
> 11-20 are on screen 2. Images 21-30 are on screen 3.
> So, you know that if you want image 54, it will be found on which
> screen/page? (Answer is found later in this email).
> There is no relation between record number (registry number) and image
> number. We must all think carefully about about our citation practices.
> What we used when we were
> tracking records on microfilms is not good enough to find the image. And
> an image may have just one record (in the case of a marriage record--as it
> happens from Konin, in the year 1881), four records for births, 6 for
> deaths or who knows what other combinations are possible.
> In case you were wondering, Image 54 would be found on screen 6 (containing
> images 51-60).
> Okay, so you have found an image that you want to save forever and ever.
> Be careful what you do!
> When you see 10 images on the screen, and get greedy, and say, I will copy
> them all one by one. Egad. You will get images the size of a postage
> stamp, sized about 4 KB.
> As you enlarge them in a viewer, the record is quite unreadable. Throw
> these images in the trash, they are not worth saving.
> Back to the webpage with 10 images on it. You may click on the center of
> each image, one by one, and get something larger, that will print out.
> Size is 104 KB. Better, but the writing appears as if written by a crayon.
> The best solution is. find the image you want on the page you want. click
> on it to enlarge it. Notice on the enlarged image the X in the upper
> right? It does what an X normally does (close the image). On the bottom
> right, there is a Z, that does something (it enlarges the image, but I
> still cannot make it work with the entire image).
> Then, still on the bottom right, notice a little bit to the left of that Z,
> there is another icon. This icon, if you click on it, will open another
> window that will allow you to download a better image. But the screen
> itself will look confusing, and again, there are no instructions on what to
> do.
> You will see the record group from the State Archive that you are in. This
> needs to be part of your citation. At the moment, I am working with
> marriages from the period 1881-1889. I am trying to save record #7 for
> 1881. It is on image 10. this is what I will see in the middle of the
> screen:
> 54/855/0/-/30: Księga małżeństw
> (obraz: 10.jpg)
> download
> That last word "download" is what does the magic of downloading. Who
> knew? The resultant image will be about 677KB, much sharper and quite
> readable, that is, assuming you can read Russian in Cyrillic script. That
> is a separate issue.
> I do not believe that there is any magic attached to the filename assigned
> to each record. Marriage #10 for 1881 happens to be named
> qM7eXetx3fCZ0hnAzNodVw. When I saved the letter, I needed to add the
> suffix .jpg to it to make it readable. If you forget to add the jpg suffix
> when you download it, you may still rename the file. Just add on .jpg at
> the end, and the file becomes instantly readable.
> The archive names the file containing Marriage #11 b3gEScGGb_KFG1a7oXA2SQ.
> I am afraid I do not quite follow their naming system to understand how one
> alphanumeric sequence is succeeded by the other. (qM7... is followed by
> b3gE.... HOW?). For the moment, I have just named the files 1881 10 and
> 1881 11. The files are for my personal use, after all.
> You must keep track of the URL for images 1-10 and images 2-20. Images
> 1-10 are on
> Images 2-20 are on
> images 3-30 are on
> These quite specific URL's may not be necessary, if you can grasp that
> image #54 is on screen 6.
> It is important to use the URL for the collection of 1881-1889 marriages,
> namely or perhaps just
> 54/855/0/-/30, depending on how you configure your citation
> (bibliographical entry).
> Happy Hunting.
> Al Muth
> Livonia, MI
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