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From: "Virginio Mantesso Neto" <>
Subject: [PSYCHIC-ROOTS] RES: Christopher C - rochelle/rupella
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:36:51 -0300
In-Reply-To: <01C7BC12.9E05EC50.r_griston@dccnet.com>


I have some comments to add:

"rochelle is also roche ... roche is rock. how rupella ever became the latin
for the name, i've no idea ..."

In the Middle Ages, "real", "original" Latin was already a dead language -
in fact, almost all European languages then spoken can be considered as
different offsprings of Latin, highly modified by time/usage, and by local
influences. Priests, scholars and savants in general used an almost
artificial language, all patched up; if Virgil came back to life he'd have a
hard time trying to understand it.

Roche, like you said, is French for rock; "elle" is a French suffix for
"small" - so rochelle is something like "small rock" - similarly, one of the
Latin words for rock is "rupes" (petra is another one, the origin, for
instance, of the adjective petrified), and "ella" is a Latin suffix for
small - so they just translated little rock in French to little rock in
Latin !

If you look up rupestrine in a large English language dictionary (like my
Webster's with nearly 2,400 pages), you'll find it's an adjective meaning
"found among rocks; living or growing in rocky places" - granted, it's not a
word you use every day ... people would probably be quite surprised if you
showed them the picture you took of a "rupestrine cactus" in Arizona or New
Mexico ...

Virginio

-----Mensagem original-----
De:
[mailto:] Em nome de Roz Griston
Enviada em: domingo, 1 de julho de 2007 23:04
Para: ''
Assunto: Re: [PSYCHIC-ROOTS] Christopher C

not a clue. i just know de la argent, translated is of the silver.
but also realise that de la argent could also be shortened, or even
latin. i went nuts looking for de la rupella in the 1200s. they finally
turned up as de la rochelle. de la rupella is latin...and it gets
shortened to de la rupe too...and then there are all the crazy
spellings of rokele rokeley, rokesley and on and on. rochelle is also
roche. the rochelle is prounced row-kell-lee and roche is rock. how
rupella ever became the latin for the name, i've no idea.



On Sunday, July 01, 2007 6:51 PM, brenda m asterino
[SMTP:] wrote:
> Oh, wow, thanks... I know some of them became Largent and through
> fancy
> writing some look like Sargent in the census. I will also
> consider
> Silver. Now that is very interesting to me since I believe some of
> the
> French is probably ancient Jewish lineage. Do you think there might
> be a
> connection?
>
> A specific birthmark leads me to believe that.
>
> Brenda Maria
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Griston" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [PSYCHIC-ROOTS] Christopher C
>
>
> > you might want to see if any of your l'argent folks changed their
> > name
> > to silver.
> >
> > i have may/s/es in lancaster co. va in the mid 1700s.
> > sarah mays d. bef. 1790, dau of henry m. william robinson.
> >
> > On Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:42 AM, brenda m asterino
> > [SMTP:] wrote:
> >> Rose, Cox, Mayse, Walker, Wooten, Shonkwiler, Astorino, Colosimo,
> >> De
> >> L'Argent (also known as Largent and Sargent)
> >>
> >> Brenda Maria
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "brenda m asterino" <>
> >> To: <>
> >> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:51 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [PSYCHIC-ROOTS] Christopher C
> >>
> >>
> >> > Could people just --- mind-- posting their names they are
> >> > researching?
> >> >
> >> > Brenda Maria
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Charani" <>
> >> > To: <>
> >> > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 3:23 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [PSYCHIC-ROOTS] Christopher C
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> K. Stewart wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Have you checked GenesReunited? I belong to that site and
> >> >>> find
> > it
> >> >>> very
> >> >>> helpful for UK research. I checked quickly and there are
> >> >>> several
> >> >>> people
> >> >>> on
> >> >>> there searching for a Christopher Collingridge in Oxon.
> >> >>> Subscription is
> >> >>> reasonable and then you can contact the other researchers and
> > view
> >> >>> their
> >> >>> trees.
> >> >>
> >> >> I got put off GenesReunited when I was contacted by someone who
> >> >> demanded (yes, demanded) *all* my research because we were
> >> >> related
> >> >> because we had the same Coat of Arms! He wouldn't tell me
> >> >> anything
> >> >> about himself and I wasn't handing over 35+ years of research
> >> >> to
> >> >> someone who might not have even been related. I also explained
> >> >> to
> >> >> him
> >> >> that we didn't have the same Coat of Arms because they are
> >> >> awarded
> >> >> to
> >> >> a particular person and can only descend through the eldest son
> >> >> (or
> >> >> dau if there are no sons). There's no proven line of descent
> >> >> from
> >> >> Bartholomew who was awarded the arms past 1515. There a 220
> >> >> year
> >> >> gap
> >> >> before there are any provable lines of descent and there are
> >> >> six
> >> >> different ones.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'll have a look at GR though to see who's searching for my x
> >> >> great
> >> >> grandfather.
> >> >> --
> >> >> Charani (UK)
> >> >>
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