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From: "brenda m asterino" <>
Subject: Re: [PSYCHIC-ROOTS] Leon, Rose,Cox, Melungeon, other
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:15:00 -0400
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Hi D,
hmmm on the lactose intolerance-- I get that from the Italian side-- worse
than lactose intolerance-- genetically can't do any of the milk proteins.
I always thot that had to do with the jewish part of us.... although-- I'm
the only one who considers jewish parts of us..... I think it is on both
sides of the family.... could also mean we have african in us
The little toe thing is that they both look like they have only one large
joint.... like they've been broken...but both are like that
Brenda
> Brenda:
>
> I have the shovel teeth too but what are "NA" little toes. I've had mine
> operated on for a bony growth on the inside that cut into the next toe.
> That's a condition that my grandmother & her mother both suffered from &
> it
> eventually killed them (they were Diabetic). I have NA blood through
> that
> particular line. Lactose Intolerance also runs in that group too. Both
> of
> my siblings have the toe problem as well. Is that what you're referring
> to?
>
> Thanks,
> D
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brenda m asterino" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 12:35 PM
> Subject: [PSYCHIC-ROOTS] Leon, Rose,Cox, Melungeon, other
>
>
>>I have the shovel teeth and "NA" little toes and other....but I also have
>> MtDNA that is turkish/west asian -- about 20,000 yrs old which may mean
>> Native American and may mean turk/w. asian. another reg. DNA test says
>> 12
>> 1/2 % NA. gosh.... no one in the family claims anything but scot,
>> irish, french, german, english But when you look at the names it
>> looks
>> like it is a hwole lot more than that ---- Saville, De L'Argent, Petite:
>> Rose can be anything.... and from Scotland it can be Black Scot or Celtic
>> or
>> other.....
>>
>> I saw Leon somewhere on this list..... Asterino is my maiden name.
>> Astorino is the original spelling.... It is from Italy but I'm told
>> it
>> is Basque/Spain. And Astori is a town in Spain where many jews went to
>> escape the inquisition. In Sephardic jewish dictionary of names
>> (googled
>> it) -- Astori refers to the Kingdom of Leon. in Spain.
>> Hmmmmmmmmmmm..............
>>
>> I will never get tired of this stuff!!
>>
>> Brenda Maria
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roz Griston" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 1:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PSYCHIC-ROOTS] Rose/ Cox
>>
>>
>>> thank you brenda maria
>>> melungeon i know. i was told as a child we were descended from
>>> pocahontas and john smith.
>>>
>>> when i started researching pocahontas and genealogy. i quickly learned.
>>> that pocahontas and john smith never had children, ergo no pocahontas
>>> descent.
>>>
>>> but, my cousins were adament we descended from pocahontas via my
>>> robinson great grandmother. i found robinson was a recognised
>>> pocahontas descent name. eventually i connected with a collateral
>>> robinson cousin...and sheee said. no we were inlaw related to
>>> pocahontas.
>>>
>>> as i researched, i did find the inlaw connection via robinson to
>>> bowlin/boling in the early 1800's.
>>>
>>> okay, so collatral cousin was correct. no descent, just inlaws. but,
>>> that was taken away too. as the bolling line is the blue bolling line.
>>> meaning that this line of bolling to pocahontas was unverified.
>>>
>>> but again while researching my smith line. i have two. my robinson
>>> great grandmother married into one, and she also descended from a smith
>>> line via henry SMITH mathews b. in the late 1700's. i've still not
>>> found where the smith middlename comes from, but i did find a smith
>>> descent legend while researching.
>>>
>>> it says that pocahontas and john smith did have a couple of children
>>> before he returned to england. among those children was a son peregrine
>>> smith. he supposedly fathered a few children in the colonies.
>>>
>>> there are a lot of naysayers to peregrine smith's ancestry from
>>> pocahontas, and still others who firmly claim there is a john
>>> smith/pocahontas line. so i'm back to square one.
>>>
>>> brickwalled on dr. henry SMITH mathews b. VA and died KY circa 1850.
>>> his widow lucinda kendall smith stayed in va and raised his children.
>>> the daughter frances ellen mathews m. benjamin robinson in 1858 page
>>> co.
>>>
>>> this united two very early colonial lines. their daughter, my great
>>> grandmother married smith, and again it was a union of two early
>>> colonial lines. i have a very colourful american ancestry via my
>>> father's maternal line...and then we can get into my mother's paternal
>>> line, which gives me yet another colourful segment of american ancestry
>>> via quaker lineage, including a connection to the witch trials and
>>> benedict arnold.
>>>
>>> i do love genealogy as you untangle your roots, you relive history from
>>> your ancestor's perspective.
>>>
>>> now, i'll go search melungeon associated surnames. because, because my
>>> cousins, one in particular is extremely attached to our native american
>>> ancestry, and i've yet to find it. but, i do know several in the family
>>> do exhibit melungeon physical traits.
>>>
>>> thanks again...you've given/reminded me that i still have some avenues
>>> to explore the to verify the native ancestry.
>>> roz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 07, 2007 4:59 AM, brenda m asterino
>>> [SMTP:] wrote:
>>>> Many of you list names that would be/ could be classified as possible
>>>>
>>>> melungeon names. google that word if it want for more info...
>>>>
>>>> it also gives different historical perspectives
>>>>
>>>> you may also want to check out sites that list epidemics that took
>>>> huge
>>>> amounts of people at a time
>>>>
>>>> Brenda
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Roz Griston" <>
>>>> To: <>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 3:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [PSYCHIC-ROOTS] Rose/ Cox
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >i have MAY/s/es in mid 1700 lancaster co. VA.
>>>> > i have several paternal lines starting pre 1700 in VA many of them
>>>> > are
>>>> > FFV. two possibly are jamestown. several are DAR.
>>>> > some of them are
>>>> > robinson
>>>> > revier
>>>> > loe/low/e
>>>> > powell
>>>> > dulin/dooling etc.
>>>> > ball
>>>> > tomlin
>>>> > blackwell
>>>> > welch
>>>> > owen
>>>> > osborne
>>>> > mathews
>>>> > brooke/brooks
>>>> > kendall
>>>> > chancellor
>>>> > cooper
>>>> > fitzgerald
>>>> > white
>>>> > woffendal
>>>> > keller
>>>> > wroe/roe
>>>> > smith
>>>> > noland
>>>> >
>>>> > some of these families began migrating southwest to nc, then to ky,
>>>> > mo,
>>>> > kansas and into nebraska. others went via wva to nebraska. my great
>>>> > grandparents (griston/dowie) then brought their young family to
>>>> > canada
>>>> > in 1911. where my paternal grandmother (smith/robinson) met and
>>>> > married
>>>> > my grandfather. his father brought his young family to canada
>>>> > direct
>>>> > from england in 1906.
>>>> >
>>>> > i also have pre 1700 maternal lines out of new jersey/pa. they were
>>>> > quakers...some may qualify for UEL.
>>>> > lundy
>>>> > carpenter
>>>> > arnold this line is ancestral to benedict.
>>>> > large
>>>> > simcoche
>>>> > hutton
>>>> > willson (cousins in this line were accused of witchcraft at salem)
>>>> > this lineage came to canada circa 1800.
>>>> >
>>>> > the bloodiest battle of the war of 1812 was fought at my cousins
>>>> > farm
>>>> > now known as lundy's lane.
>>>> >
>>>> > my mother's father (brooks/lundy) then met my grandmother
>>>> > (barrett/dearing/deering) who came to canada direct from england in
>>>> > 1917.
>>>> >
>>>> > i'm seeking HIX/HICKS living in missouri kansas pre civil war. my
>>>> > grgr
>>>> > grandmother effmariah/effie/effy/maria/mariah is a real mystery.
>>>> >
>>>> > also..i'm coming to the conclusion that many people with deep
>>>> > american
>>>> > ancestral roots may never find the surnames of some of females
>>>> > within
>>>> > their lineage simply because the woman was native american and was
>>>> > given a white name.
>>>> >
>>>> > i've been told i have native ancestry. and it certainly shows in
>>>> > the
>>>> > physical features in family members, but i've yet to find it...on
>>>> > either side of the border.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:38 AM, brenda m asterino
>>>> > [SMTP:] wrote:
>>>> >> acckkk.... forgive my goof ups...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anyone out there with Cox or Rose line? Shonkwiler or Wiler?
>>>> >> Astorino?
>>>> >> Any Native American with Walker name?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Mayse?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Brenda Maria
>>>> >>
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