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Subject: [PYLE] Henderson PILE and Levi PILE of Fentress County
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:55:10 EDT
To Nancy PYLE:
I got a chance to go to the LDS Library yesterday. The following is going
to be a bit confusing, but give it a look. It's a little more info related to
your unplaced Henderson PILE (born c1820) and also the unplaced Levi PILE
(born c1825). Bold font below indicates two items needing some work.
1. I COULD NOT locate a Carr PILE/PILES (any variant) in the 1820 Overton
Co TN census. I did see, on the page following Conrad PILE’s entry a Thomas
CARR household (he being age 26 to 45), so the name appears in 1820 Overton Co
TN as a surname, but I couldn’t find it as a given name. Let me know if you
have any other ideas, and if you remember where you originally found that
citation for a Carr PILE.
2. I learned that the George HELM we are interested in was not in Fentress
County in 1830, which fits with the info from his 1881 biographical sketch
that he left TN for IL in 1829. There is a George HELM and wife living alone
in 1830 Fentress County, but he is a noted Revolutionary War veteran you can
find there if you google George HELM. In fact, he could have been the father
of “our” George HELM, but that’s just speculation and doesn’t help the
cause right now.
3. I found George HELM in 1850 Lafayette Co WI, a page away (page 380) from
your Henderson PILE. He is living with his second wife, Margaret, which
fits nicely with his 1881 sketch. He has a daughter born c1835 and a daughter
born c1837, both born WI. Right next door is a household were the wife was
born c1833 in IL. I think she was a third daughter, and that the three are all
daughters of Nancy PILE HELM, who then died in 1840 (per the 1881 sketch).
I mention this because all of this info fits exactly with George’s 1881
sketch, that is that he moved to IL in 1829, and then to WI in 1834. Also, in the
1840 census, the George HELM family that lives right next door to Conrad
PILE is exactly the right composition to be “our” George”, his wife Nancy PILE,
and three daughters (i.e., the one born 1830 to 1835, and two born 1835 to
1840 as I’ve noted above). So I’m thinking George HELM briefly came back to
Fentress County from Wisconsin in time for the 1840 census, perhaps because
Nancy was dying (per his 1881 sketch). I now think George HELM should be
sought in the 1830 census in IL (I didn’t have time to do that.) to see what the
family looked like then. He is SOMEHOW very important to you, but I still don
’t know how.
Since George HELM calls his first wife Miss Nancy PILE (1881 sketch), and
your husband has a DNA match with a known male PYLE of Conrad’s, I am thinking
more that that Nancy PILE was not Henderson’s mother (though I also am
thinking she was an “unreported” daughter of Conrad PILE that current researchers
have missed).
What I’m also left wondering is whether Nancy PILE in the 1830 Fentress Co
TN census (page 17) is somehow Miss Nancy PILE who married George HELM (but
that would contradict the 1881 sketch which says they married in 1825, and the
sketch seems to be right on every other point) or if the 1830 Nancy PILE is,
coincidentally, a different Nancy PILE, perhaps a young widow. That Nancy
PILE is the household head, age 20 to 30, with a male age 0 to 5 (too young for
Henderson, I guess, but that could be the unplaced Levi PILE), and females
age 5 to 10 and 0 to 5 years. If you (or I) can find George HELM in 1830 IL,
we might answer the question as to whether the 1830 Fentress County Nancy
PILE is a second Nancy or Miss Nancy PILE.
I know this represents a lot of confusion, but some progress. We need to
keep chipping away at this.
Best wishes,
Jim Smee
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