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From: "Candy" <>
Subject: Re: [Q-R] Quaker/Indian Marriages (?)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:21:05 -0500
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Herbert,
Is there any mention of a James "Skillethead" Johnson or a Burton in that
book?
Thanks,
Candy
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Subject: [Q-R] Quaker/Indian Marriages (?)


> I have now retrieved a copy of "Friends and Indians, (1655-1917)",
by
> Rayner W, Kelsey, which had been out on loan.
>
> Concerning Beth Zaring's interest in whether Cyrus Beede is
discussed
> in this book, his name is merely mentioned in a note on page 172 as one of
a
> number who served as Indian Agents under the direction of Orthodox
Friends.
> --- On pages 174-175 there is a paragraph which reads as follows: Another
> notable journey was that made by Thomas Wistar, James E. Rhoads, and
> Marmaduke C. Cope to the Indian country in 1874. They held conferences
with
> various restless tribes in order to get them to restrain various lawless
> members, especially young men who seemed bent on continuing a career of
> raiding. To the Comanches and Apaches Thomas Wistar and James Rhoads
spoke
> so plainly that the Indians were almost incensed. James W. Haworth, Cyrus
> Beede, and Marmaduke C. Cope also spoke, the last named more soothingly.
> Thus, wrote James Rhoads, the Indians were enabled to take the strong
> "medicine," because they knew it came from their friends. ----- In a
note
> referring to this paragraph, it appears that this data was taken from:
> "Friends Review", vol. 27 (1874) , p. 573; also from the book by Thomas
> Battey, "A Quaker Among the Indians", pp 263-272, and from a book by
Laurie
> Tatum, "Our Red Brothers", pp. 182-187,
>
> Gregory McReynolds has asked whether a Charles Painter is mentioned
in
> the book by Rayner Kelsey. Only one Painter name is mentioned, that of
Dr.
> Edward Painter, who had oversight of the Omahas in Nebraska under the
> direction of the Liberal (or Hicksite) Friends during the U.S. Grant
> administration.
>
> The book by Rayner Kelsey seems most valuable as a source book
leading
> to more extensive deposits of literature pertaining to relations between
the
> Friends and the Indians.
>
> ----- Concerning intermarriage between Quakers and Indians, I
believe
> that there has been at least one situation where Quakers living near
Indian
> encampment took in orphan Indian children when the Indian village was
overrun
> and destroyed by raiders (often disgruntled white settlers). When the
Indian
> children grew to adulthood, they sometimes married into Quaker families.
A
> situation such as this involving Sanders and Elmore families is discussed
in
> "The Allen Family", by Lester M. Allen, pages 264-265. There seem to be
two
> or three versions of what happened. This was in the neighborhood of the
Bush
> River Friends settlement in the back country of South Carolina. One
version
> mentions the Cherokees.
>
> - Herbert Standing.
>
>
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