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From: "Sharon Wagner" <>
Subject: Fw: [Q-R] Marin & Gaspard BOUCHER
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 02:23:51 -0600

Thanks Suzanne, Sounds good to me. I think I'll take
this then, as the final word. (or at least for now. :-)
Sharon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Suzanne B Sommerville" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-R] Marin & Gaspard BOUCHER


> According to Michel Langlois (1998), who has probably consulted more
> documents than anyone else, there is no relationship between Marin and
> Gaspard that has been confirmed. Marin was, though, the brother of Jeanne
> Boucher, who married Thomas Hayot. Her parents and origins are also
> unknown. Parents of Gaspard are known to be Jacques Boucher and Françoise
> Paigné of Notre-Dame de Mortagne in Perche, France.
>
> Unfortunately, earlier researchers made "guesses" that cannot be
supported.
> Once the "guess" makes it into print or into a data base, such as the LDS
> records, it is almost impossible to correct it. Much of what is in the
LDS
> data base is not reliable for French Canadian records, in my experience
> with it, because so much has been done in recent years with the actual
> documents themselves. The same is true for Tanguay, who is notorious for
> his guesses and for suppressing information about illegitimate births.
>
> One woman I have been tracing is a case in point. First, under one last
> name, a baptism date, and the name of her birth mother, Tanguay says she
> is the "posthumous" child of that marriage, and under a totally different
> last name, that of the man who said he was her father at her baptism, she
> is shown as the daughter, no birth or baptism date given, of him and his
> wife. Her actual baptism record shows her to be probably illegitimate.
> At least the parents named were not married to each other.
>
> As for Trudel, I greatly respect his work, but he also said Pierre Couc
dit
> Lafleur died in 1665, when he was still fathering children up to 1673 and
> lived until 1690. Trudel obviously, and unfortunately, followed Tanguay's
> "guess" for the death of Pierre. I have seen the 1665 death record and it
> is definitely not Pierre (no first name is given) and there is even some
> doubt whether the only name given is even "Lafleur". (The handwriting is
> wretched.) The man is identified as a soldier in one of the Carignan
> regiments, though, and Pierre was definitely not.
>
> Be forewarned!
> Suzanne Boivin Sommerville
> Michigan, USA
>
> Message text written by INTERNET:
> In a message dated 02/27/2001 7:18:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> writes:
> << Have any of you come up with a definitive answer as to whether or not
> Marin
> (m. Perrine MALLET, 1629) and Gaspard BOUCHER (m. Nicole LEMAIRE, 1619)
> were
> brothers?
> Trudel in "catalog des immigrants" claims that they were; Jette and
> Tanguay
> do not make that connection. >>
>
> Hi Jackie and Listers.
>
> Boy! Would I like to have the answer to THAT question!
>
> They were both from Mortagne, according to Jetté, who also adds that they
> were related..."Marin, parent de Gaspard"; "Gaspard, parent de Marin".
> This
> suggests that they were not brothers, but it is a tantalizing question!
The
>
> French "parent", of course, means relative, not father or mother.
>
> Cheers. Patrick
>
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