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From: Jill Rains <>
Subject: Dabney Rains and the research of Jill W. Rains Part Ib
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:08:37 -0600

(Continued from part Ia)

He had six children, three of whom lived to have issue:
[speaking of: II. John Oliver (5), of Petersburg, Ga. (b. January, 1765,
near Petersburg, Va., died 24th December, 1816 ) JWR]

1. Prudence Thompson, b. 1788; 2. Caledonia X. , b. 1790, d. 1796; 3.
Sarah W., b. 1792; 4. Sophia N., b. 1794, d. 1798; 5. Mary Xenia, b.
1797; 6. John. Of these-

1. Prudence Thompson Oliver (6), b. Petersburg, Ga., 22d October, 1788,
d. Huntsville, Ala., 19th October, 1868, married, 25th April, 1805, at
Petersburg, Ga., her cousin, Robert H. Watkins, b. 1st October, 1782, d.
Pulaski, Tenn., 1855; son of James and Jane (Thompson) Watkins, of
Savannah river, Elbert county, and before that of Virginia.

The daughters of John Oliver, after a preliminary course in Augusta,
were sent to that fine old institution of the Moravians, which was
founded in Bethlehem, Penn., 1749; carrying out the principles of the
Moravian bishop, John Amos Comenius, the great educator of the
eighteenth century, and is the oldest female school in America. The
Moravian Seminary at Salem, N. C., founded a few years later, was on
this plan. In the Bethlehem catalogue for 1803 are these entries:

Oliver, Prudence T., b. October 22, 1788, daughter of John Oliver.

Oliver, Sally W., b. August 6, 1792, daughter of John Oliver.

It was the most popular of all schools with the daughters of Southern
planters. There was no safer stronghold for young innocence than living
in cloistered simplicity with those good sisters, who taught the stately
and exquisite music of the old masters with other accomplishments. They
also wrought most artistic specimens in needle work - birds, flowers and
scenery - and yards of sampler embroidery on canvass were brought home
as trophies. One very popular representation was a moribund figure,
drooping, like the weeping willow at its side, over the tomb of some
loved one. This was framed in triumph, and presented to the dear mother
at home. Here the young girl was so impressed with the holy mode of
living and teaching, that, in after years she prevailed upon her husband
to send their own child, Mary Frances, in 1819, to the Salem Institute,
N. C., when she was but eleven years of age, and she has told me that
the recollection Prudence Oliver looked out upon the world with the same
innocence which those good sisters had fostered, and a tender heart, at
peace with God and man, the gentle epitome of her sex and ancestry.
Beloved by all, childhood dreamed her a beneficent fairy, while
sorrowing men and women knew her to be the saint of Pity, pouring her
soul into the offered chalice of sympathy. Plentifully endowed with
wealth, her opportunities for good were great. [Again, note
Philidelphia. JWR]


1. Mary Frances Watkins (7) (b. 13th Nov. 1809), married James E.
Saunders, of Lawrence county, Ala. (See Saunders Family, for their

2. Sarah Independence Watkins (7) (b. 4th July, 1811), married George W.
Foster, of Florence, Ala. (See Watkins Family.)

3. James Lawrence Watkins (7) (b. 10th May, 1814), married Eliza Patton,
of Huntsville, Ala. (See Watkins Family.)

4. Virginia Prudence Watkins (7) (b. 22d Oct., 1816), married Thomas S.
Foster, Florence, Ala. (Watkins Family.)

5. Louisa Matilda Watkins (7) (b. 29th Dec., 1819), married Stephen W.
Harris, of Huntsville, Ala. (Ibid.).

6. Robert H. Watkins (7) (b. 10th May, 1824), married Margaret Lindsay
Carter, of Pulaski, Tenn. (Ibid.).

2. Sarah Wells Oliver (6) (b. 6th Aug., 1792 ; died 1812) married (1807)
Daniel Bird, of Georgia . No issue. Mr. Bird was living in 1862. He
married again, and named his only daughter Sarah Oliver (b. 1841, d.
1859). A son was a brave captain in the Confederate army, wounded, and a
prisoner of war in Huntsville, Ala., in 1862.

3. Mary Xenia Oliver (6), b. Petersburg, Ga., 18th September, 1797, d.,
Hancock county, Miss., 6th October, 1846, m., 6th May, 1812, in
Petersburg, Ga., John Dandridge Bibb, of Montgomery, Ala., b., Prince
Edward county, Va., 10th March, 1788, d. in Carroll county, Miss., 9th
May, 1843. He was the son of William, and Sarah (Wyatt) Bibb, of Prince
Edward county, Va., who moved to Georgia in 1789, and were parents of
the two first governors of Alabama, Dr. William and Thomas Bibb (see
Bibb). John D. Bibb and wife located first in Madison county, Miss., in
1813, and thence to Montgomery, county, Ala., 1818, next to Morgan
county Ala. (above Decatur), 1826, and to Columbus, Miss., 1832. Their
remains are interred at Montgomery, Ala. Issue:

1. Charles Sydney, 2. Elvira Antoinette, 3. Sarah Frances, 4. Mary
Dandridge, 5. William Crawford, 6. Edwin Augustus, 7. Lavinia Arabella,
8. John Dandridge, 9. Dandridge Asbury, 10. Algernon Sydney, 11. Mary
Cornelia, 12. Laura Angerona. (For these see Bibb.)

4. John Oliver (6), Columbus, Miss., b. 1800, d., 2d July, 1835, m.,
13th July, 1820, Ruth A. Weeden, b. 12th September, 1804, d. 3d October,
1835, daughter of Col. William and Sarah (Sands) Weeden, of Maryland,
and sister of Mrs. Turner Saunders and Dr. William Weeden, of
Huntsville, Ala. His father dying when he was but sixteen years of age,
he removed to Alabama with his guardian and brother-in-law, Maj. Robert
H. Watkins, who purchased for him a plantation in Lawrence county, four
miles from his own "Oak Grove" place, and stocked it with family slaves
brought from Georgia (it is now owned by Malcolm Gilchrist). Dr. William
Weeden was colonel of a regiment in 1812, and lived in central Alabama,
where he lost his first wife. It was while visiting his sister, Mrs.
John Oliver, he met, at the home of their neighbor and kinsman, Maj.
Watkins, the very young widow of James Watkins, who was Jane, daughter
of Dr. Urquhart, of Georgia (see Urquhart ). They were married and
removed to Huntsville, Ala. (Dr. Weeden had also two brothers in
Florida: John and Frederick Weeden.) Turner Saunders married Mrs.
Oliver's beautiful widowed sister, Henrietta Weeden , who was Mrs.
Millwater, with two young daughters; and disposing of his comfortable
home north of "Rocky Hill," he and the Olivers removed to Mississippi,
he erecting a handsome home in Aberdeen, (now the Paine residence), and
John Oliver purchasing an estate near Columbus, Miss., of the Indian
chief, "Peachtree," who was selling the "Reservation" to the whites.
Here he reared five children (two others died young), 1. Sarah Frances.
2. Caroline. 3. Maria Louisa. 4. Caledonia. 5. John Oliver:

1. Sarah Frances Oliver (7) (b. 1823, d. 1852), m. (1837) Edmund Blount
Hoskins (b. Edenton N. C., 1811 , d. Columbus, Miss., 1852). The
Colonial Records of N. C. mention the Blount family from earliest times.

1. Ann Eliza Hoskins (8) (b. 1838) m. (1859) Dr. George H. Moore, of
Memphis, (b. Huntsville, Ala. , 1822). Surgeon C. S. A. (See Moore
family for issue.) (Mrs. Moore has furnished this list of her
grandfather's descendan??s.)

2. Caroline Watkins Hoskins (8) (b. 1840) m. (1865) James Le Noir.
Issue: (1) William G. (9) (b. 1866), (2) Sterling Paine (9), (b. 1867),
(3) Dr. James Le Noir (9), (4) Sarah Louisa (9) (b. 1872) m. (1895)
James R. Taylor, Memphis, and has Carolyn (10) and James Taylor (10) (b.
11th June, 1899), (5) George (9), (6) Edward (9).

3. Richard Blount Hoskins (8), Meridian, Miss., C. S. A., N. C
Artillery; (b. 1843), married (1872) Ida Daves. Issue: 1. Ida (9) (b.
1874), 2. Robert Lee (9), 3. Yallie (9), 4. Francis Oliver (9).

4. James W. Hoskins (8) (b. 1845) d. s. p.

5. John Oliver Hoskins (8) (b. 1851 m. (I), Bettie Harrell , and (II),
Mary Ferguson, Ch. 1 Annie Mary (9), and by 2d marriage, 2. Caroline
(9), d. y. 3 Carrie (9), 4 Mary Paine (9), 5 John Oliver (9).

2. Caroline Oliver (7) (b. 1824 , d. y.) m. (1847) Goode Watkins (1st
wife). No issue. (See Watkins.)

3. Maria Louisa Oliver (7) (b. 1825, d. 1879) m. (1847) Dr. Stirling
Paine half brother of the Methodist Bishop. Issue:

1. Dr. Frank Paine (8) (b. 1848) m. Onie Brown . Issue: 1. Louisa (9)
(b. 1881), 2. Onie (9) (b. 1884), 3. Sterling Paine (9) (b. 1886).

2. Julia Paine (8) m. (1868) William Le Noir .(9) Issue: 1. Marion
Louisa (9) (b. 1869, d. 1874), 2. Mary (9) (b. 1872), 3. William
Stirling (9) (b. 1875), 4. Julia Paine (9) (b. 1879), 5. Ruth (9) (b.
1882), 6. Stirling Paine (9) (b. 1887), 7. Whitman (9) (b. 1891).

3. Caledonia Paine (8), married (1876) William Wade . Issue: 1. Stirling
Paine (9) (b. 1877), 2. Roberta Julia (9) (b. 1884), 3. Caledonia Paine
(9) (b. 1886).

4. Ruth Weeden Paine (8), married (1882) John L. McMillan . Issue: 1.
William Alexander (9) (b. 1883), 2. Stirling Paine (9) (b. 1887), 3.
Julia Le Noir (9) (b. 1889).

4. Caledonia Oliver (7) (b. 1826 ), married (1845) Thomas Clay , b.
1825, d. 1856, son of Matthew and Frances (Saunders) Clay . Issue:

1. Matthew (8), 2. Alice (8), 3. Oliver (8), 4. Fannie Lou (8). (See
Saunders Family for these.)

5. John Oliver (7), Brookville, Miss., b. Lawrence county, Ala., 1830,
d. February, 24, 1897, married, 1850, Francis Rebecca Conolly, of
Jackson, Tenn. He took great interest in the compiling of this record,
furnishing much information. Issue:

1. Francis (8) b. 1852, d. 1855.

2. Mary (8) b. 1853, m. 1880, Thomas W. Baker. No issue.

3. Maria Louisa (8), b. 1855, m. 1879, James H. Box . Issue: 1. Oliver
(9), 2. Fannie Lou (9), 3. Nina (9), 4. Lily (8), 5. Reuben (8), 6.
James (9).

4. John (8), Jr., Columbus, Miss. (b. 1860), m (1892) Laura Sturdevant .
Issue: 1. John (8) (5th in line, b. 1894), and one other.

5. Caledonia Clay (8) (b. 1857, d. 1864).

6. Robert Conolly (8) (b. 1863), m. (1889) Betty Cook, of Heidelburg,
Miss. Issue: 1. John (9) (b. 1890); Fannie Sue (9) (b. 1892).

7. George Anderson (8) (b. 1868), m. (1889) Estelle Selby , of
Heidelburg, Miss. Issue: 1. Earle (9) (b. 1892); 2. Mary (9) (b. 1895).

8. Nina Clay (8), named for Mrs. Matthew Clay.

(End of part Ib)

Jill Watters Rains

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