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From: "Frederick H. Whitley, Jr" <>
Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Need another set of eyes...1860 Census St.Louis,Missouri
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:23:54 -0400
In-Reply-To: <5e931bb30807040851i6c2308c1s5716397e8d2407b6@mail.gmail.com>


I found this information of interest, and perused the information. As a
guess, I'd look for the town "Livitz' under 'LITITZ". I am a Moravian, and
Lititz, PA is a colonial Moravian settlement. Who knows if there is another
Lititz, or this may also be the one sought, although it is obviously in
Pennsylvania. (This area of Pennsylvania was BIG cigar making
country--usually a cottage industry at first. I noticed Jos Hart was a cigar
maker. Moravian's consider our roots to go back to Jon Hus and thus the true
beginning of the Reformation.( The Reformation movement really began within
universities as an intellectual amongst priests/teachers with discussion
about improving, thus Reforming the Roman Catholic Church. The powers to be
did not want to hear any of this!) Hus was a Roman Catholic priests, as
were almost all reformers of the only Christian Church in those times.
However, Hus was burned at the stake almost 100 years BEFORE Martin Luther
for his teachings. I like to say Luther 'got away with' what most of his
predecessors championed, but paid for usually with their life.

Interesting reading. Thank you. Stay well. FRED in PA

PS Roots-L helps each other with genealogy research and related questions.
FYI FW




-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On
Behalf Of Drew Smith
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:52 AM
To: Elberta Brummett
Cc:
Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Need another set of eyes...1860 Census
St.Louis,Missouri

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Elberta Brummett <>
wrote:
> I have accessed on Heritage Quest the following census:
> Call number M653, Roll 648, St. Louis, St. Louis County, Missouri, page 72
> Dwelling # 490. Family # 860:
> Hart, Jos, 25, M., Cigar maker
> Hart, Anna, 18,
> Hart, Wilhelm, 5/12
>
> I'm having a problem deciphering the town in Baden where Jos (Joseph)
> was born, also having a problem deciphering the town in Prussia where
> Anna was born.

Anna's town looks like "Bielfeld", which is usually spelled as "Bielefeld":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld

Joseph's looks like "near Livitz", but I can't find a town by that name.

Drew Smith
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