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From: "Gary Martens" <>
Subject: Re: [SCHILLING] Military service in the Russian Army
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:49:34 -0600
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It says that he was drafted into the Russian Army in 1908 and discharged on
29 April 1911.

Who is this that you are talking about (name, date of birth)?

Gary Martens

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Subject: Re: [SCHILLING] Military service in the Russian Army

I have a document found in my grandfather's personal papers that
(translated) reads as follows:
Draft from region Number 1
Draft of list Number 28
Certificate of military duty
Resident of Saratov State (province) Kamishen Region, Sosnovka County,
village of Sosnovka, Schreiber, Johan, son of Johan Peter, drafted in the
year 1908 and counted in soldier of 2nd classification (of soldiers) Given
out by the department of Kamishen Region for draft into military reserve
April 29th in the year 1911, Number 1569

I have often wondered what it all meant. My grandfather immigrated in 1907,
returned to Schilling in 1910, married and then returned to the U.S. in Dec
1911. He was 19 years old in 1907. His older brother did serve in the

He and his brother Jakob are shown on your list of passports issued in 1907.
Thanks for posting that,

Rosemarie Snyder

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Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:41 pm
Subject: [SCHILLING] Military service in the Russian Army

ow many of you have heard stories about your male ancestors where they ere
supposed to have served in the Russian Army, fought in wars, etc.
ere is information on the rules under which German-Russians in the Volga ere
This information is from the book "From Privileged to Dispossessed, The olga
Germans, 1860 -1917", by James W. Long, Copyright 1988, niversity of ebraska
The universal conscription law of 1874 was based on peacetime conditions, nd
in fact, did not enroll many recruits. The number of men conscripted ach
year depended on the contingent required by the military: in 1874 it as
150,000; it rose in 1900 to 320,000. However, the law's shorter term of
ervice and maintenance of a large reserve component had tremendous
mplications, in that many more individuals served in the armed forces.
ecause the prosperity of peasant families, and therefore the state epended
rimarily on the number of workers, the 1874 conscription law drafted men nly
from families with several workers. Also, the costs of equipping and
raining every draft-age youth would have been prohibitive. Therefore, each
ear approximately 54 percent of the draft-age men were exempted from ctive
uty in the military service. Most exemptions (48 percent) were granted on
he basis of domestic or family reasons; 6 percent were based on failure to
eet physical standards. Sole surviving sons, married men, or sons and
randsons who were the only workers in their households were nconditionally
xempted from military service. Others, such as sons who were the second
orkers in their households, next eldest sons with brothers on active duty,
nd sons whose elder brothers had died while on active duty, received
onditional exemption. They would be drafted only if the number of
on-exempted recruits was inadequate to meet the military's annual ontingent.
While sole surviving sons were never liable for military ervice. The
conditional exemptees could be called up in time of war.

The annual conscription levy took place in the fall after the harvest. Any
oung man having his twenty-first birthday before October 1 of that year was
ubject to the draft. On November 12, 1874, the first Volga German draft
ottery occurred in the colony of Linevo Ozero. The colonies had ten draft
enters, all except one including both Russian and German settlements.

Data from the Saratov and Samara provinces indicate that between 1874 nd
914 the Volga Germans annually supplied 800 to 1500 recruits to the ussian
ilitary, depending on the annual levy set by military authorities. Thus,
very year about one of every five draft-eligible, twenty-one year old male
olonists entered the Russian Army. By 1914, then, conservatively peaking,
0,000 Volga Germans had spent time in the ranks.

Mobilization of reservists, not conscription, drove more Volga Germans from
ussia, and until 1904-three decades after the introduction of the raft-their
reservists had never been activated. The Russo-Japanese War f
904-5 generated such consternation and dismay among the Volga ermans ecause
it represented the first encounter with mobilization; at the time f the
Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78 no Volga German reservists existed, or ne had
completed the six-year term of active duty.

Beginning in 1904, many Volga German reservists-men between the ages f
wenty-five and forty-three, some of whom had been discharged as far back s
886-decided to emigrate illegally rather than face being reactivated to ight
in some distant war of no concern to them.

My grandfather was in the Russian Army from approximately November
ntil sometime before May 1910. A picture of him in his Russian Army
niform is here:

Gary Martens

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