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Subject: Re: [SCHILLING] Military service in the Russian Army
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:26:01 -0600
This was a little difficult to figure out because of a complete lack of dates.
Is Johannes Schreiber desribed in the Russian military document related to
David Schreiber? All Schreiber's from Schilling are related, they all descend
from Andreas Schreiber (b 1725 in Germany) who came to the village when
it was founded.
Is Johannes Schreiber described in the military document the brother of
Peter Schreiber, son of David Schreiber and Maria Elisabeth (or Katharina)
Johannes Schreiber, who got a passport to leave the country in 1907 was
living in Schilling, Balzer District, the original Alt-Schilling. David Schreiber
was from Schilling, Krazny-Kut District.
By the way, there is a document on Ancestry titled Declaration of Passenger
to Canada giving details about Peter Scgreiber's entrance into Canada,
leaving Liverpool on 15 Feb 1924. He lists cousin Alexander Maurer at his
destination of Morse, Saskatchewan, Canada.
On 13 Feb 2010 at 19:03, Dorothy Sather wrote:
> This is a ''Schreiber" from Schilling. I have an enquiry. My father was born in Schilling in 1900 to David SCHREIBER
> and Katharina REIN. Could Johan SCHREIBER be related to David SCHREIBER? and thus my father, Peter SCHREIBER.
> David SCHREIBER JR. son of David SCHREIBER was conscripted in to the Russian Army, but I do not know when. I have since learned that he was shot by the Russian Army when they purged their army in the 1930's. Peter SCHREIBER, my father, came to Canada in 1921-1923. His brother Henry SCHREIBER went to Stendahl to live after their family was sent separate ways. Anna Elisabeth, Marie Elisabeth, and Katharine stayed in Russia. Anna and Marie were sent to ?Siberia with their mother. I do not know what happened with Katharine. I do not know what happened to
> David SCHREIBER SR. (my grandfather.)
> Thank you for the opportunity to send this e-mail in my search to find any ancestors in Russia or Germany.
> Dorothy (Schreiber) Sather
> > To:
> > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:07:56 -0500
> > From:
> > Subject: Re: [SCHILLING] Military service in the Russian Army
> > I have a document found in my grandfather's personal papers that (translated) reads as follows:
> > Draft from region Number 1
> > Draft of list Number 28
> > Certificate of military duty
> > Resident of Saratov State (province) Kamishen Region, Sosnovka County, village of Sosnovka,
> > Schreiber, Johan, son of Johan Peter, drafted in the year 1908 and counted in soldier of 2nd classification (of soldiers)
> > Given out by the department of Kamishen Region for draft into military reserve April 29th in the year 1911, Number 1569
> > I have often wondered what it all meant. My grandfather immigrated in 1907, returned to Schilling in 1910, married and then returned to the U.S. in Dec 1911. He was 19 years old in 1907. His older brother did serve in the military.
> > He and his brother Jakob are shown on your list of passports issued in 1907. Thanks for posting that,
> > Rosemarie Snyder
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> > From:
> > To: ;
> > Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2010 10:41 pm
> > Subject: [SCHILLING] Military service in the Russian Army
> > ow many of you have heard stories about your male ancestors where they
> > ere supposed to have served in the Russian Army, fought in wars, etc.
> > ere is information on the rules under which German-Russians in the Volga
> > ere drafted.
> > ====================================================
> > This information is from the book "From Privileged to Dispossessed, The
> > olga Germans, 1860 -1917", by James W. Long, Copyright 1988,
> > niversity of
> > ebraska Press.
> > The universal conscription law of 1874 was based on peacetime conditions,
> > nd in fact, did not enroll many recruits. The number of men conscripted
> > ach year depended on the contingent required by the military: in 1874 it
> > as 150,000; it rose in 1900 to 320,000. However, the law's shorter term of
> > ervice and maintenance of a large reserve component had tremendous
> > mplications, in that many more individuals served in the armed forces.
> > ecause the prosperity of peasant families, and therefore the state
> > epended
> > rimarily on the number of workers, the 1874 conscription law drafted men
> > nly from families with several workers. Also, the costs of equipping and
> > raining every draft-age youth would have been prohibitive. Therefore, each
> > ear approximately 54 percent of the draft-age men were exempted from
> > ctive
> > uty in the military service. Most exemptions (48 percent) were granted on
> > he basis of domestic or family reasons; 6 percent were based on failure to
> > eet physical standards. Sole surviving sons, married men, or sons and
> > randsons who were the only workers in their households were
> > nconditionally
> > xempted from military service. Others, such as sons who were the second
> > orkers in their households, next eldest sons with brothers on active duty,
> > nd sons whose elder brothers had died while on active duty, received
> > onditional exemption. They would be drafted only if the number of
> > on-exempted recruits was inadequate to meet the military's annual
> > ontingent. While sole surviving sons were never liable for military
> > ervice. The conditional exemptees could be called up in time of war.
> > The annual conscription levy took place in the fall after the harvest. Any
> > oung man having his twenty-first birthday before October 1 of that year was
> > ubject to the draft. On November 12, 1874, the first Volga German draft
> > ottery occurred in the colony of Linevo Ozero. The colonies had ten draft
> > enters, all except one including both Russian and German settlements.
> > Data from the Saratov and Samara provinces indicate that between 1874
> > nd
> > 914 the Volga Germans annually supplied 800 to 1500 recruits to the
> > ussian
> > ilitary, depending on the annual levy set by military authorities. Thus,
> > very year about one of every five draft-eligible, twenty-one year old male
> > olonists entered the Russian Army. By 1914, then, conservatively
> > peaking,
> > 0,000 Volga Germans had spent time in the ranks.
> > Mobilization of reservists, not conscription, drove more Volga Germans from
> > ussia, and until 1904-three decades after the introduction of the
> > raft-their reservists had never been activated. The Russo-Japanese War
> > f
> > 904-5 generated such consternation and dismay among the Volga
> > ermans
> > ecause it represented the first encounter with mobilization; at the time
> > f the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78 no Volga German reservists existed,
> > or
> > ne had completed the six-year term of active duty.
> > Beginning in 1904, many Volga German reservists-men between the ages
> > f
> > wenty-five and forty-three, some of whom had been discharged as far back
> > s
> > 886-decided to emigrate illegally rather than face being reactivated to
> > ight in some distant war of no concern to them.
> > My grandfather was in the Russian Army from approximately November
> > 906
> > ntil sometime before May 1910. A picture of him in his Russian Army
> > niform is here: http://www.germanrussian.org/
> > Gary Martens
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