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From: "James F Lyons Sr" <>
Subject: [[SAR-TALK]] RE: [[SAR-TALK]] RE: [[SAR-TALK]] Re: [[SAR-TALK]] Insignia/Badges
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:34:10 -0700
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The AR repeats some of the language of the US Code. It does not include the
expansive language in the US Code. Restrictive interpretations such as you
mentioned violate the US Code and those doing this are subject to discipline
and prosecution.
The descendants of the war of 1812 can wear their medal, but not the SAR or
DAR?
Please advise as to whom the restrictive statement came from. I'd be glad
to prosecute rumor mongers like this. Particularily, the guardhouse lawyer
types.
The intent of Congress and the JCS is to promote patriotism, not restrict
it. As I recall this specifically appears in the US Code.
Jim Lyons
Former prosecutor and JAG qualified
IDSSAR
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Insignia/Badges
In a message dated 3/16/2003 8:17:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
writes:
Which badge is to be worn on military dress uniforms and where is it to
be
placed on the uniform?
A specific US Code section authorizes the wearing of the badge or medal.
Compatriots:
As I understood it, Compatriot Lyons question was about wearing the SAR
badges on military dress uniforms. Army Regulation 29-13d, entitled, "Badges
authorized for wear on Army uniforms", seems to give the answer this
question (at least as far as the Army is concerned). It reads:
"Badges of civic and quasi-military societies and international
organizations of a military nature. These include badges of organizations
originally composed of members who served in a U.S. force during the
Revolutionary War, the War of 1812; the Mexican War, the Philippine
Resurrection, and the Chinese Relief Expedition of 1900. The badges are only
worn while the wearer is actually attending meetings or functions of such
organizations or on occasion of ceremony. Personnel will not wear these
badges to or from such meetings or events."
I have heard that there are interpretations of this regulation to mean
that only members of the Society of the Cincinnati are allowed to wear the
membership badges on their uniform, inasmuch as it is the only organization
that was originally composed of members who served in a U.S. force during
the Revolutionary War. The SAR, SR, DAR, etc., was formed long after the
Revolutionary War, and they never had any members who "served in a force
during the Revolutionary War" and, therefore does not qualify in this
regard.
Oddly enough, Civil War Descendant Societies, the American Legion, and VFW
are not mentioned in this regulation, although one might expect that they
would have been included.
I'll leave it up to our learned members to figure out the correct
interpretation.
Keith Miller
Past President, ORSSAR
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