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From: "Wolf Zscheile" <>
Subject: [Saxony] FW: [SAXONY_ROOTS] FW: Altenberg or Altenburg - that is the question?
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:45:00 -0500


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Rueffer [mailto:]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:00 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [SAXONY_ROOTS] FW: Altenberg or Altenburg - that is the
> question?
>
>
> Hi, Margaret,
>
> I am still not sure what ALTENBURG it is, but it is definitely Altenb*u*rg
> (not Altenberg). I had two phone calls with the archivist of your
> son-in-law's ancestor's employer in Hermannsburg (Evangelisch-Lutherisches
> Missionswerk in Niedersachen ELM, Georg-Haccius Str. 9, D-29320
> Hermannsburg).
>
> CARL GOTTFRIED HELLMUTH, * 3. May 1827, was a ship's doctor before he came
> to the Lutheran Mission in Hanover. So he was quite old when he
> started his
> education there (35 years). Normally the missionaries were
> bachelors, he was
> one of just two who where married before sending out. This might be the
> reason that he was one of few who not sended out (April 4, 1866) to the
> pagants but to be a priest for a German comminity in Queensland.
>
> The archivist offered to send you a scan of a picture from his
> final class:
> ordination March 19, 1866 (!!!). His name is also mentioned in
> the magazine
> of the Mission (Hermannsburger Missionsblaetter) , and there were
> also some
> letters he wrote back to Germany telling about his work as a
> missioner/priest. You could get that, too.
>
> Well, I am a bit jealous. I haven't any photos from my ancestors
> older than
> 80 or so years. I haven't even any a letter from the 1960s let
> alone 1860s.
>
> There is no CV from him, unfortunately. The name mentioned before
> Altenburg
> is SEESA, but I couldn't find it. It seems to be something wrong with it
> (may be dialect problem, if your ancestor is from Altenburg he would have
> spoken Saxon). The archivist (and I also) guess it is Altenburg
> in Thuringia
> as it is the largest Altenburg and it makes no sense to give a "Seesa near
> Altenburg" location if Altenburg is a hamlet.
>
> In 1987 an Artur Schmidt from New South Wales already asked for C.G.
> Hellmuth. At that time the old archivist did an extensive
> research for him.
> All the things related to Hellmuth are listed in the letter, so it is
> relatively easy for the recent archivist to search for what ever you might
> want.
>
> The surname of the archivist is Almann (or so), he his very very very
> friendly, his e-Mail address is
>
> and he speaks English.
>
> Thomas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wolf Zscheile" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:18 PM
> Subject: [SAXONY_ROOTS] FW: Altenberg or Altenburg - that is the question?
>
>
> >
> > Hi again everyone
> > My son-in-law's 2x great grandfather was CARL GOTTFRIED HELLMUTH
> > (junior), and the story goes that he was born at Altenberg on the
> > 3rd May 1827. Now, to assist me to locate where this was I
> > obtained a road atlas and to our surprise now find that there
> > seems to be two places of similar name. The first I located was
> > south from Dresden and spelt ALTENBERG and it looks near on the border.
> > The other I found looks a much smaller place and is spelt
> > ALTENBURG and is just south of Leipzig and due west from Dresden.
> > When Carl completed his education he went off to study to be a
> > doctor to please his mother, and after that went to Hermannsberg
> > in Hanover and into a Lutheran Seminary to study and become a
> > pastor. On completing this he was sent to Australia, firstly to
> > Lobethal in South Australia, and then transferred to Queensland
> > where he looked after several congregations from Brisbane to
> > Mackay. From Lutheran material here in Australia it mentions the
> > word SEESS as part of his birth place, which might be a clue to
> > help me pin just which ALTENBERG/ALTENBURG it is.
> > Is there anyone out there whose local knowledge of this area in
> > Germany might solve this first dilemma for us please?
> > Thankyou again
> > Margaret Bauer
> >
> > ****************************
> > Margaret Bauer
> > Qld, Australia
> > #CFHS 4441
> >
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