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From: "Lucille A Richmond" <>
Subject: Re: Would appreciate a suggestion.
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:31:01 -0400


Thank you, Edward; it's a fascinating study. Have been looking for our
James Adams' ancestors for several years now; just discovered his
participation in the Battle of Dunbar about 8 years ago, but I've been told
that looking for Adamses in Scotland is like looking for John Smith in the
U.S.

Thanks so much for your explanation.

Lucille (Adams) Richmond

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From: Edward Andrews <>
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Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: Would appreciate a suggestion.


>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: BaggyGenes <>
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>Subject: Re: Would appreciate a suggestion.
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>> Hi Edward -- Would you happen to know where one might obtain prisoner's
>lists
>> from Dunbar and Worcester? There are several other researchers who have
>been
>> trying to locate such lists, without much luck. There's evidently one
>ship's
>> list for Worcester prisoners online but nothing else. Would prisoners
>have
>> been listed in Scotland, or in England? What ports were used to send
them
>to
>> the colonies?
>>
>> Any help most appreciated.
>>
>> Judy
>
> Think about it. Americans are still looking for MIAs from Viet Nam, and
>after WW2 there was a lot of work which had to be done in trying to locate
>displaced persons.
> 350 years ago there was not the same interest in records, and people would
>not have been thinking in the possibility of people coming behind having
any
>interest in the people.
> The armies which fought were not full time. People either turned up or
were
>made to turn up and marched off.
> Luck would be the essence of the game. A piece of paper survives, or
>someone copies a list into a journal which survives.
> The reason why, until recently, history has been the story of the great
and
>famous is because the only sources which existed in profusion are about the
>great and famous. We may well know all about the guy who had his head
>chopped off in the Tower, and not even have the names of a dozen who were
>hanged at Tyburn.
> You ask would the prisoners have been listed in Scotland or England. Think
>about it. The 13,000 of the Scottish army - a Scotland which was being
>garrisoned by English troops marched south. 2,000 were killed and 10,000
>made prisoner. What lists would there be in Scotland? Muster lists.
Scotland
>was however undergoing military occupation. Towns were being besieged. The
>Scottish records were captured in Stirling, the Honours of Scotland (Crown
>Jewels) narrowly escaped the same, and the records were taken down to
>London. The ship sank which was bringing them back.
> In England there might be a list. At what stage would it be taken? by the
>NCO who was at the capture - he probably couldn't write, and hadn't paper
>handy. The gaoler when they got to a building?
> The answer is that they would probably only be listed when they were told
>off for deportation. Fortunately, I believe that there is a record of them
>(or at least a partial record of them) and I think that it is published
>somewhere. It is however not my subject and I only know a very little about
>records of interest to Americans
> The amazing thing is not that there are so few records of that time, but
>that there are so many. To get at them however you have to be actually
>looking at places like the PRO. Some is published, some has been
transcribed
>and not published. Some turn up in Private collections. There is very
little
>on the net. It is really an area where if you want to get anywhere new, you
>need
>professional support.
>
> People comment about how difficult it is to trace people on this side of
>the pond. Generally speaking your records are better kept. There are also
>more public records which have survived. There is also much more interest
in
>genealogy in America than there is on this side of the pond.
> You now see why it is important to have an understanding of history and
the
>society about which you are working.
> Edward Andrews
>
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