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From: "John Macfarlane" <>
Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Early Scottish Names
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:56:38 -0000
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Hi List in reply to Garnt Muxckart ; No not yet but I will find out
John
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From: "Grant Muckart" <>
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Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Early Scottish Names


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> >Hi John,
>
> I don't suppose you have any idea when or where the database that Dr.
> Caldwell and his team are constructing from their reseach will be
published
> do you? It sounds like a truly fascinating study.
>
> Grant Muckart
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> Nairn
> Scotland
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> >Hi Listers I met Dr Caldwell in Islay last summer. He and his team are
> >doing
> >a lot of serious research into the lost townships of Islay and the
families
> >who lived there. They ahve done a lot of research into graves and
> >graveyards
> >and have even got as far as analysing the gravestones where they exist to
> >ascertain where the stone came from and to see what bearing the type of
> >stone happenend to have on the social status of the people concerned.
They
> >ahve aslo devised a detailed data base and intend to publish. They stay
> >regularly at the Ballygrant Inn - much to be recommended for its food and
> >welcome although none of its rooms are ensuite- and I can maybe contact
> >them
> >through the manager to find out progress. They offered to put my wife's
> >Johnston family tree to the test aginst their data base but I haven't had
> >the courage to do it yet in case some fond theories go by the board!!
> >As I live outside Oban Argyll and twice yearly travel to Islay,I had half
> >thought of organising a 3-4 day event in Islay in 2004 for returners -
the
> >name Tilleadh Chlann Ile sprang to mind - The return of Islay's children
> >-on
> >the basis : (1) Returners get there and book their own axcxcommodation
from
> >a set list of B&Bs (2) Venue possibly Islay Gaelic (ICC) Centre (3) hire
> >cars or buses for trips to main locations of interest(4) Genealogical/
> >historical/ crofting environmental exhibitions and lecture(s) possibly
Dr
> >Caldwell ??(5) IT and resources of Islay Family History Society and
Museum
> >provided for research (6)Local ceilidh and conference meal/ whisky
tasting
> >(7) Discount prices at local restaurants shops pubs for Conference
passport
> >bearers (8)Inclusive Conference price to cover costs of ICC, lectures and
> >conference costs.Only an idea! Any comments /interest?
> >John
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Sue Visser" <>
> >To: <>
> >Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 3:57 AM
> >Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Early Scottish Names
> >
> >
> > > Hi Toni and All
> > >
> > > For many years I've believed that McCuaig had the hereditary name of
> > > "Hereditary Cup-Bearer of the Lordship" and that a McCannel was 'the
> >chief
> > > Torch-Bearer". I thought that it seemed logical to consider that
> >perhaps
> > > these two (and others) families came to Islay in the time of the
> >Lordship
> >as
> > > part of the retinue.
> > >
> > > The list of names below appear in at least two other books, one of
which
> >is
> > > "The House of Islay" by Domhnull Gruamach printed in 1962. That book
> > > clearly states the names as McCannel or MacChainneil and MacCuaig or
> > > MacCuaich. The other book was one I saw maybe 20 years ago and just
> >noted
> > > the names but forgot to note the book (duh!) If anyone knows the
title,
> > > please let me know.
> > >
> > > Now comes a quandary....
> > >
> > > ....back in April I posted in 3 parts the Dr. David Caldwell's lecture
> >about
> > > Islay families (from the 2002 NC symposium). In that lecture he
> >referred
> >to
> > > a number of Islay families but did not mention the 'hereditary'
titles.
> >I
> > > emailed him to ask about the hereditary title in regards to McCuaig
and
> >this
> > > was his reply: "You are right that D Gruamach mentions MacCuaigs as
> > > hereditary cup-bearers on p54 of The House of Islay. To be frank,
> >however,
> >I
> > > have never taken this book seriously - it is mostly full of nonsense!"
> > >
> > > Does this boil down to a matter of opinion?
> > >
> > > Comments please.
> > > Sue Visser
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now comes the however
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Toni Sinclair" <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 5:51 PM
> > > Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Early Scottish Names
> > >
> > >
> > > An article appeared in the Ontario Genealogical Society ("Families",
> >Vol
> > > 41, No. 4, 2002) newsletter by Donald Whyte entitled "Scottish Clans
> > > Embraced Many Surnames". (Mr. Whyte has compiled 3 volumes of
"Scottish
> > > Emigrants to Canada Before Confederation"). Jack Puttenham showed me
a
> >copy
> > > when I met with him this afternoon. It is mostly about Islay, and
some
> >of
> > > the early names include:
> > >
> > > MacAffer (from Mac Cath Barr -son of the helmet aka armour-bearers)
> > >
> > > MacArthur - hereditary pipers to the Lords [of the Isles]
> > >
> > > MacCammels (maybe he meant MacCannels?) "MacChainel 'son of the
torch'
> >is
> > > now rendered MacChannel. Some of the surname exist in Canada"
> > >
> > > MacCaig - hereditary cupbearers to the Lords. "They are of a
different
> > > origin to that of MacCaigs in south-west Scotland. For some obscure
> >reason
> > > MacCaigs in Islay often bore the alias of MacLeod. Perhaps a MacLeod
> > > ancestor had been a cup-bearer"
> > >
> > > MacBruins - (Browns) believed to have been judges
> > >
> > > MacEachern - son of the horse lord.
> > >
> > > MacIndeoir - (McIndewir, or Dewar) - cared for old folk, widows and
> >orphans
> > >
> > > MacKay - MacAoidh (son of Hugh), lieutenants or henchmen
> > >
> > > MacKerral - 'son of melody', came from Ireland to Skye and Islay.
> > >
> > > MacKinnons- inspectors of weights and measures, and Prince Charles is
> >said
> > > to have given them the recipe for Drambuie. "The Mackinnons became a
> >clan
> > > in their own right. Their archers were the MacInneses." !!!
> > >
> > > MacVurich- Curries became a clan in their own right. Some now call
> > > themselves MacPherson. Variations are MacVarish and MacVorie.
> > >
> > > Fletcher - archers to the Lords of the Isles.
> > >
> > > There are others, but I thought these might be of particular interest
to
> > > members on this list. Might have to join the OGS!
> > >
> > > Toni
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ====
> > > To find an Excel Spreadsheet with many 1855-1875 deaths on Islay go to
> > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/rawdata/index.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > > Find out who has books and research data pertaining to Islay at the
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> > >
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