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From: Jim Fina <>
Subject: Re: Crinan
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 00:13:02 -0700
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Jacob,

Le Bateman wrote:

> I am doing research on the family of Crinan Thane of Dull Archpriest of
> Dunkeld Steward of the Isles. My line from Randolph Lord Neville connect to
> Crinan Mac Duncan. Maldred Mac Crinan
> Maldred Fitz Maldred, Uhtred Fitz Maldred, Dolfin Fitz Uhtred, Uhtred Ftiz
> Dolfin, Robert Fitz Dolfin, Robert fitz Robert, Geoffrey Neville, Randolph
> First Lord Neville, Ralph 2nd Lord Neville, John 3rd Lord Neville, Ralph
> 4th Lord Neville. John 5th Lord Neville married , Edward 6th Lord Neville,
> married Katherine Howard daughter Margaret Neville. She married John Brooke
> their great-granddaughter was Elizabeth Wiatt. Who could I write to for
> documentation.
> Jacob L. Bateman III

Based on what I have, this is as close as I could follow the line you indicated.
My line breaks off at (7) Uhtred of Bamburgh through his second son Aedulf Rus,
so this is about as far as I've traced this collateral line. I've included
sources, hopefully that will help answer the question.

Jim

(1) Duncan Hereditary Priest of Dull[1]
(2) Duncan , Earl of Strathclyde[2],[1]
(3) Duncan of Atholl ,Mormaer (Earl) of Atholl[3],[1]
(4) Crinan the Thane , Abbott of Dunkeld[3],[2],[1],[4],[5],[6] & Bethoc
(Beatrix) Princess of Scotland[7],[3],[2],[6]
(5) Maldred of Scotland , Lord of Allerdale[7],[4],[6],[8] & Aeldgyth
(Algitha), of Bamburgh[7],[3],[4],[6],[8]
(6) Maldred of Allerdale[3],[4],[6],[9]
(7) Uhtred of Bamburgh[7],[3],[6]
(8) Dolfin Fitz Uhtred , Lord of Raby[7],[6] & Alice[6]
(9) Maldred Fitz Dolfin , Lord of Raby[7],[6]
(10) Robert Fitz Maldred , Lord of Raby[7],[4],[6] & Isabel de
Neville[7],[4]
(11) Geoffrey de Neville of Raby[4],[6] & Joan[6]
(12) Geoffrey de Neville , of Hornby Castle[6] &
Margaret[4]
(13) Robert de Neville[4],[6] & Ida Bertram[4]
(14) Robert de Neville[4] & Mary FitzRandolph[3],[4]
(15) Ralph (Ranulph) de Neville , of Raby, co.
Durham[4],[10] & Euphemia de Clavering[4],[10]
(16) Ralph de Neville 2nd Baron Neville of Raby[4]
& Alice de Audley[4]
(17) Sir (K.G.) John de Neville 3rd Lord Neville
of Raby[4],[6],[11] & Maud de Percy[6],[11]
(18) Ralph de Neville , Earl of
Westmorland*[12],[6],[11] & Margaret Stafford[6],[11]
(19) Sir John de Neville , of
Westmoreland[3],[4] & Elizabth Holland[3],[4]
(18) Ralph de Neville , Earl of
Westmorland*[12],[6],[11] & Joan Beaufort Countess of
Westmorland[12],[3],[6],[11]

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Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant Extinct or Dormant, The Hon. Vicary
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Fifteenth-Century England,” Louisiana State University Press, Baton Rouge, 1984.




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