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From: "Coral Elliot" <>
Subject: Re: [SCT-SLK] Finding Scottish Ancestors
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:32:25 +0800
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The O.P.R records are on C.D at the L.D.S History Centres and are on access
to any one who visits their History Centres.
Coral
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From: "Vivienne Dunstan" <>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SCT-SLK] Finding Scottish Ancestors


> Valorie wrote:
>>I presume you are saying that the baptisms are NOT in the OPRs? Perhaps
>>they are in records of another church body?
>
> Jumping in here to echo Ken's comments the baptisms ARE in the OPRs.
> They're just not in the IGI. The IGI is a very incomplete index for
> Scottish OPR events, particularly in the south of Scotland, and
> particularly for baptisms.
>
> The problem seems to be that the LDS hadn't performed their necessary
> ordinances/rituals on the baptisms concerned and so they weren't addded
> into the IGI. The IGI isn't a genealogical index so much as an index of
> baptisms and marriages which had been conducted into the LDS faith (giving
> people from past centuries the opportunity to join the LDS church - I'm
> not
> a Mormon but that's the best understanding I have of it). The LDS church
> only got so far with their ordinances through the Scottish baptisms and
> stopped after a certain point. So only some made it into the IGI. The
> problem is worse for southern Scotland.
>
> Even the LDS advice leaflets do not recommend that people use the IGI to
> look for Scottish events before 1855. The IGI is too incomplete. People
> should use the separate indexes for OPRs available online at
> ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk and also on CD-ROM and microfiche in LDS family
> history centres (I can't remember the exact name but it's something like
> "Scottish Church Records" CD-ROM).
>
> The IGI is brilliant for Scotland for 1855-1875 when it includes Scottish
> births and marriages extracted directly from civil registration
> certificates. It's often easier to find events that way than using the
> GRO(S)'s own indexes, especially because with the IGI you can quickly
> piece
> together whole families, finding for example all children of a given
> couple, at least for 1855-1875. But before 1855 the IGI is extremely
> incomplete and unreliable, especially for births, and particularly in
> southern Scotland and including the Border counties.
>
> I think that many of the baptisms 'missed' by the IGI but in the more
> complete OPR indexes ARE in the British Isles Vital Record CD-ROMs,
> especially the more recent version. But I've still to try the CDs to test
> that theory properly. The British Vital Records CD-ROMs were intended to
> release indexes to additional genealogical events that the LDS had indexes
> for but hadn't made it into the IGI (because the necessary LDS
> church/religious ordinances hadn't been performed). The numbers of 'new'
> events in BIVI for Scottish Border counties and parishes certainly makes
> it
> look as though the baptisms 'missed' by the IGI are in there. You don't
> find many extra Border marriages in the BIVI CD-ROMs but they were well
> covered by the IGI already so there weren't many 'missed' ones to reissue.
>
> Hope this helps clarify things. It's complicated. The IGI can be a very
> good tool but needs a big warning for pre-1855 in the Scottish Borders
> area. In particular people need to be warned about how incomplete it is.
>
> Of course parish registers can be incomplete and events might be missing
> from the OPRs for a whole number of reasons, but that's another story ...
>
> Viv
>
>
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