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Subject: Re: [SELF] Asa Skelton Family Bible Posted for Catherine RisingFawn MoyToy, William Presley Self
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:19:06 -0000


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Author: whisper2sky59
Surnames: Self, Gunter, Carpenter, Childers, Hager, Henderson
Classification: queries

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The Shawnee pride themselves in having respect for one another, and obviously some of you were never taught that, because of the email's I have been receiving as of late, stating that my Great Grandfather William Priestly Self b: 1728 was a trader for marrying an Indian Woman is shameless.

Most Shawnee's especially the famous one's never would have given up their right to freedom, by being sent to OK. which they considered a white man's prison. Also if you have studied history of the Shawnee, you would know that the Shawnee were hated by whites for refusing to let the Whites take their land and tried to unite the Native Tribes against them. The Shawnee were hunted down many years after the Removal, thus no one being related to the Cornstalk and Tecumseh families would have ever admitted to being Shawnee. There are families like mine who have whispered their heritage to only a few of their children.

Chef Don "Spirit Wolf" Greene is the only Shawnee Genealogist who has traced the Shawnee back to the roots of the Powhatan Nation, and has been doing genealogy for about 40 years. In his book: Shawnee Heritage II, page 54.

Aganunitsi "Wild Potato" Cornstalk

Grandaughter of Hokolesqua Opeechan "Stream" Cornstalk (4) b: 1630 and Nonoma Cornstalk (2) b: 1630 daughter of Big Turkey Cornstalk b:1660 in Northwest TN

Aganunitsi "Wild Potato" Hop, Wife of Young Rainmaker - Anigatagewi (Wild Potato) Woman - Wife of Tsula Fox Small Pox Conjuror - - Wild Potato Woman - Blind Savannah Woman - 63/64th Chalakatha - Shawwano - Chalaka - Powhatan born 1684 Upper Hiawassee VA. - died after 1741 TN - daughter of Big Turkey Cornstalk/1660 and Chalakatha Woman/1664 parents killed by Catawba Raiders, adopted daughter 1694 TN of Rainmaker (1) 1640 and Quatsey (1) 1650 - both Cherokee, Blind Savannah Clan Cherokee - Wife 1st 1700 TN of adopted brother Young Rainmaker/ 1685 Cherokee, 2nd 1741 TN of Tsula Fox - Small Pox Conurer / 1670 - Cherokee.
Mother with Rainmaker of son Oconastota Rainmaker / 1702, unk child / 1704, son Cloggoittah Rainmaker / 1706, daughter Ooloosta Rainmaker / 1708, sons Kitegista Rainmaker / 1710, Tathtowe Rainmaker / 1712
Wallenaeoa "Grey Eagle" Rainmaker /1714, Oukahoukah Rainmaker / 1716, Kallannah Rainmaker / 1718 all children 31/64th Chalakatha-Shawano-Chalaka-Powhattan-Cherokee - Children with Smallpox Conjuror unlikely due to her age.

Taken from Don "Spitit Wolf" Greene's book: Shawnee Heritage I
( You are liable when you put it in writing)
Rainmaker, Ooloosta aka Oolootah - 7/8th Chalakatha-Kishpoko-Shawano-Chalaka-Hopia-Chickahominy-Cherokee born 1708-died after 1739 - daughter of Young Rainmaker/1680 & Aganunitsi Hop/1684, namesake of aunt Oolootah Hop/1692, named as a granddaughter of Rainmaker (1)/1640, Blind Savannah Clan Cherokee, wife 1st 1726 TN of Rising Fawn Fox (1)/1706, 2nd by 1738 TN of Christian Priber/1697-white, mother with Rising Fawn (1) of Rising Fawn Fox-Conjuror (2)/1726, Catherine Rising Fawn Fox-Conjuror (Moytoy from Grandmother - Aganunitsi Hop)/1730 & other children/1732-38-all 13/16th Chalakatha-Kishpoko-Shawano-Chalaka-Hopia-Chickahominy (all Shawnee) Powhatan-Cherokee, mother with Priber of Great Priber-Drags Blanket/1739- 7/16th Chalakatha-Shawano-Chalaka-Hopia-Chickahominy-Cherokee-Metis


Powhatan Lines

1. Murmuring Ripple b: 1415
First American b: 1445
2 Dashing Stream b: 1474
Scent Flower b: 1517
3 Morning Flower b: 1528
Emperor Wahunsonacock Powhattan b: 1545
Winunuske Nonoma b: 1545
4. Cleopatra Powhattan b: 1602 (Sister of Pocahontas)
Chief Opechancanough Powhattan b: 1554

Begin Shawnee Lines

5. Hokolesqua Opechan "Stream " Cornstalk" b: 1628
Pasmere Carpenter b:1637
2nd Wife Nonoma Cornstalk b: 1630
6. Big Turkey Hop CORNSTALK b: 1660 d: 1694
Hopia Bear Clan Woman b: 1664
7. Aganunitsi-Wild Potato Hop TURKEY b: 1684 in Upper Hiwassee, VA
Young Rainmaker b: 1680 d: 1741
8. Ooloosta Rainmaker b: 1708
Rising Fawn Fox/Conjuror b: 1706 d: 1751 Settico, TN
9. Catherine "Rising Fawn: Fox/Conjuror Co b: 1730

William Prestly Self b: 1732 Westmorland, VA d: Bledsoe, TN

Their Children:
John Spencer Self b: 1752 d: 1816
UNK
Spencer Self b: 1774 d: 1816
Levi Self b: 1782
Elijah Self b: 1783 d: 1851
Hezekiah Self b: 1788
Nathaniel Self unk


Francis Self b: 1756 d: 1831
UNK
Isaac Self b: 1759 d: 1846
Nancy Henderson b: 1783 d: 1848
Children
Cella Self b: 1783 d: 1850
Elizabeth Self b: 1793 d: 1842
William Self b: 1793 d: 1846
Betsy Self b: 1793 -d: 1849
Rebecca Self b: 1795 d: 1849
Vincent Garner Self b: 1798 d: 1861
Job Self b: 1800 d: 1828
Issac Self b: 1800 d: 1849
John Self b: 1805 d: 1851
Elijah Self b: 1809 d: 1890
Nathanial Henderson Self


Presley Self b: 1763 d: 1855
Amelia Gunter b: 1760 - 1850

Children:

David Self b: unk
Daniel Self b: 1780 - 1835
Jessie Self b: 1783 -
Fraincis Self b: 1785 - 1869
Catherine Self b: 1790 - 1859
John Self b: 1796 - 1850
Isaac Self b: 1800 - 1862
Spencer Self b: 1800 - 1845
Mary Self b:1801 - 1865
Presley Self b: 1806 - 1834
Elizabeth Self b: 1810 - 1895
Jesse Self b: 1811 -
Dicie Self b: 1822 -



Amy Self b: 1765
John Gunter


Elizabeth Self b: 1170 d: 1838

David Hager b: 1763 - 1829

Children:
George Hager b: 1733 - 1784
William Hager b: 1795 -
Levi Hager b: 1796 - 1892
Nancy Hager b: 1799 -
Moses Hager b: 1804 - 1882
David Hager b: 1805 -
Elizabeth Hager b: 1806 -




John Self b: 1777 d: 1857
Sarah Saunders b: 1770 - 1841
Children:
Joseph Self b: 1794 -
Elizabeth Self b: 1797 - 1880
Mary H Self b: 1799 - 1865
Hannah Self b: 1799 - 1865
Lemuel Saunders Self b:1801 - 1878
Melinda Self b: 1803 -
Martha Patsey Self b: 1803 - 1879
William B Self b: 1804 - 1878
Basil Daniel Self b: 1811 - 1886
Berryman H Self b: 1813 - 1841



Daniel Self b: 1780 d: 1841
Mary Childers b: 1798 - 1885
Children
John SELF b: 1834 -

This information has been brought to you by:
Tammie W Deming aka: Silent Turtle Seeking
Tribal Headwoman of the Appalachian Shawnee Tribe - Turkey Clan

If you are a direct descendant of the people listed above, and would like to join our Tribe, you can contact me at any time at:

P S. Drama, nor hatred will not be tolerated!

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