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Subject: [SW-L] Grosvenor shipwreck
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:43:18 EST
In a message dated 2/18/02 2:38:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> Subject: Grosvenor shipwreck
> >Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 05:02:34 +1300
> >From: Doug & Pat Frykberg <>
> >Subject: shipwreck survivors on SA coast (Maureen)
> >Maureen I had some time ago a long correspondence with someone searching
> >about the "Grosvenor". With his research and what I could report to him
> >the Van Riebeeck Society Publication #34 "Source Book on the Wreck of the
> >Grosvenor" he came to the opinion that evidence of a white female child
> >Lydia Harriet Logie who survived the wreck was a family member of his.
> >is (darned if I can now find the exact reference) evidence that she was
> >taken into a local tribe and lived to produce children.
> >Had you heard of this?
> Hi Pat
> I've written an article on the Grosvenor for my newsletter. There was a
> couple, Alexander LOGIE (Chief Mate) and his wife, Lydia. She had an Indian
> hand-maiden, Betty, so they could have had a child (who is not listed).
> There were women passengers said to have been taken into local tribes. The
> light-skinned Abalunga (whose name in the local language signified White
> people) may have been their progeny.
> Captain Benjamin STOUT, an American from Boston and relative of President
> John ADAMS, was in command of the American East Indiaman "Hercules", which
> ran aground on 16 June 1796 near the spot where the Grosvenor had met the
> same fate. He managed to get the ship going the following day, as far as
> the mouth of the Baka River. There, they encountered a local tribe. The
> captain, with help from the Dutch third mate and a Khoisan who could speak
> some of the language, managed to find out that Captain COXON (of the
> Grosvenor) and his men were slain. One of the chiefs insisted on taking two
> white women into the tribe and when the captain and his men resisted, they
> were overwhelmed. STOUT was told that one of the women had died shortly
> afterwards but the other one was still living and had several children by
> the chief. The tribesmen did not know where she was at that time.
> STOUT wrote a book, The Cape of Good Hope and its dependencies; Edward &
> Knibb, London, 1820
> Anne Lehmkuhl
> Professional genealogist specialising in South African genealogy
> Web site: http://www.rupert.net/~lkool/