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From: "Tessa King" <>
Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Teddy SHAW's wives
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:09:45 +0200
Thanks for the info and the source. I got out my copy to have a look. Didn't
realise he was in this book. I see in my notes for Lenore Cecily GREY or
SHAW I have written that Catherine has her as a wife, but Paul
Tanner-Tremaine had her as the daughter of his first wife Louise GREY.
So...she wasn't his wife. BUT was she his daughter or step daughter is now
the question? If he was married 6 times and the marriages as given in the
book are correct then he definitely didn't marry Lenore.
I find it rather strange that there are no divorce files on NAAIRS except
for the first marriage. I've tried every type of combination and can find
nothing. Where did he divorce them??? In Mexico or Vegas or wherever one
goes for a quickie divorce?? :-)
The Hoole book has Elizabeth Madeleine DE LISLE as SCHOEMAN, but she was
married to an H C SCHOEMAN and this was not her maiden name.
Lenore's daughter Anne Adelaide WILMOT married Robert Gilfillan PEARL, but
he obviously has a GILFILLAN ancestor somewhere.
So hopefully we have now sorted out "Ed the Bed" and his wives!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan HOPE" <>
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:07 AM
Subject: [ZA-EC] Teddy SHAW's wives
> Louise GREY (1908-1980) married in 1933 and their daughter was born in
> 1934. (So the plot thickens...) My source is they book "Descendants of
> James and Jane Hoole" written by Wendy Hoole and her brother.
> Lenore then married Raymond Christopher WILMOT in 1951 and their daughter
> married a GILFILLAN.
> Beryl Eda GILFILLAN was the second wife.
> Olive was the 3rd wife.
> Elizabeth Madeleine DE LISLE was the 4th and 6th wife.
> Maisie McDOUGALL was the 5th wife. Married in 1983.
> Maybe Val De Kock can help with Maisie and confirm. I had WRIGHT as her
> maiden name and McDOUGALL a previous marraige. Val can you verify
> Tessa King <> wrote:
> Hi Joan
> You are right about it being a SHAW and not a CHOWLES. Getting confused
> because it was the same person who sent me some of the data. For the sake
> keeping the record straight on the list, here is what I have:
> Edward George Bramwell SHAW aka "Teddy", "Wild Shaw" and "Ed the Bed" was
> born abt 1905 d. ?? and married as follows (don't know if I have the order
> correct as I don't have marriage dates):
> 1. Beryl Eda (wonder whether it should be Edna) GILFILLAN * abt 1920 and
> Rosemary Coral, Wendy Edineen and George Bramwell.
> 2. Olive MCCULLOGH * ?? d. 25 Dec 1985 Kenton-on-Sea.
> 3. Louise GREY * 24 May 1908 Johannesburg d. 21 Aug 1980 Johannesburg.
> Child: Lenore Cecily GREY (think this was her child from another marriage
> relationship and so was his step daughter (he marries her later).
> 4. Maisie MCDOUGALL * 1 Aug 1912 d. 21 Dec 1990 Kenton-on-Sea. Maisie was
> married three times. Ed was known as Roddie to her and was her third
> husband - the other two being Graeme Osborn ELLIOTT and M M H WRIGHT
> whether this is Malcomb MarFarlane WRIGHT?? Anyone know?)
> 5. Lenore Cecily GREY (his stepdaughter)
> 6. Elizabeth Madeleine DE LISLE who had previously been married to H C
> As I said, not sure of the order of these wives. It was actually seven
> marriages but six wives!
> Kind regards