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From: "Jennifer Spear" <>
Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] SOUTH-AFRICA-EASTERN-CAPE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 290
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:18:07 +0200
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Good Morning Listers

Every now and then I see reference made to "The Border Browns" and I
would like to know if my branch of BROWNS appears in this document?

I am looking for the parents of Catherine Elizabeth BROWN born in 1880
and died 6th September 1953 in Port Elizabeth. Her death notice lists
her place of birth and nationality as "union national". Her parents
are listed as "deceased".

Thanking you in anticipation!!!!!!!!!!!

Jenny

On 7/26/08,
<> wrote:
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Cory Library Church Records - lookups offered (Marielle Ford)
> 2. Re: Cory Library Church Records - lookups offered (colin mohr)
> 3. Re: Charles Henry MORGAN (helen bigall)
> 4. Re: morgan (helen bigall)
> 5. VOC coins (John Hunt)
> 6. Re: VOC coins (Erik H. Wenzel)
> 7. Re: VOC coins (Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24)
> 8. Re: Fw: ZIERVOGEL - SMITH - LOVEMORE - HEATHCOTE - SHAW
> (Eighteen-Twenty Settlers)
> 9. Re: ZIERVOGEL - SMITH - LOVEMORE - HEATHCOTE - SHAW
> ()
> 10. Re: ADMIN - God bless Zimbabwe (Douglas & Irene Hicks)
> 11. Re: VOC coins (John Hunt)
> 12. Militaria (Marielle Ford)
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Marielle Ford" <>
> To: "Eastern Cape" <>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:13:47 +0200
> Subject: [ZA-EC] Cory Library Church Records - lookups offered
>
>
> Dear listers
>
> Perhaps I should clarify the nature of the documents available at Cory as
> well: You would have to have some idea as to when and where your ancestors
> were baptised/married etc so that I can request those particular registers.
>
> This is the search engine where you can see whether your register is there
> or not http://opac.seals.ac.za:81/search~S1 For e.g. if I
> type in WIGGILL
> and select Word as the search clue, this is what I get:
>
>
>
>
> Request Estate papers of Isaac Wiggill : appointment of Mary
> Anne Wiggill, his widow, Nathaniel Brown and Samuel Stanger as Executors
> Testamentory, the co-executor named in the will, Thomas Corbett, having
> declined to act (23.4.1863)
> Wiggill, Isaac.
> Cape Town : [s.n.], 23.4.1863.
>
> 1863
>
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> Request Wiggill family tree, history and related correspondence
> Wiggill, Douwina M.
> Pietersburg : [s.n.], 1986.
>
> 1986
>
>
>
>
> Very relevant titles entries 3-6
> 3
>
>
>
> Request Correspondence : on various topics including the 1820
> Settlers and the history of the Eastern Cape Province, 1970-1993
> Butler, Guy (Frederick Guy), 1918-2000.
> Various places : [s.n.], 1970-1993.
>
> 1993
>
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> Request The Border Browns : family tree relating to 1820
> settlers Stephen and Sarah Brown and their descendants, including a list of
> military honours and awards, and records of service of various members of
> the Brown family
> Brown, Craig.
> [S.l. : s.n.], 1996.
>
> 1996
>
>
>
>
> 5
>
>
>
> Request Tales of Transkei : memoirs of Jojimbalara (F T Kenyon
> Egling) including (1) witchcraft; (2) the leopards of Port St John's; (3)
> notable characters; (4) Engcobo and Mqanduli days; (5) murder cases; (6)
> assorted tales; (7) more assorted tales; (8) other characters
> Egling, Francis T. Kenyon.
> [S.l. : s.n.]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 6
>
>
>
> Request When boys were men
> 1969
> Butler, Guy (Frederick Guy), 1918-2000.
> Cape Town : Oxford University Press, 1969.
>
>
>
> If I then click on let's say, the second option, I get this page:
>
> Author Wiggill, Isaac.
> Title Estate papers of Isaac Wiggill : appointment of Mary
> Anne Wiggill, his widow, Nathaniel Brown and Samuel Stanger as Executors
> Testamentory, the co-executor named in the will, Thomas Corbett, having
> declined to act (23.4.1863) / Isaac Wiggill
> Publish Cape Town : [s.n.], 23.4.1863.
>
>
> LOCATION CALL NO.
> Manuscript MS 18 660
>
> Details
> Descript 1 leaf : 33cm , MS.
> Series Albany Museum loan collection ; SM 5415 (1)
> Eastern Province Guardian Archives.
> Note 0,01m.
> Albany Museum ref. : SM 5415 (1) .
> CO MS 18 660 06 11046269 06 Manuscript R 090
> Subject Corbett, Thomas.
> Wiggill family.
> Wiggill, Mary Anne.
> Brown, Nathaniel.
> Stanger, Samuel.
> Executors and administrators -- South Africa.
>
>
> The LOCATION and CALL NO are what I need in order to request the
> document/s.
>
> If I type in "Baptismal Register" using Subject - I get a list of 279
> districts that are available at Cory. Same with "Marriage record" etc.
>
> I hope this helps you to narrow down your searches. Unfortunately I
> don't have time to do those searches for you before I go over there.
>
> Regards
> Marielle
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marielle Ford" <>
> To: "Eastern Cape" <>
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:05 AM
> Subject: [ZA-EC] Cory Library Church Records - lookups offered
>
>
> Hi all
>
> I really feel I owe the listers something concrete after all the help I've
> received. I am pretty busy right now doing VAT & Tax (blech!) but am
> planning a day at Cory in the next few weeks.
>
> If anyone wants a look-up, please email me off-list, using the subject
> line - Cory Library Look-ups and your surname. I'll take digital images
> where I can. Photocopies are usually available but cost moolah. If it's
> just one page or so I'm happy to pay it for you, but can't commit to large
> sums. So please also give me a postal address on your mail in case that's
> all I can get.
>
> I'll give listers till about next Wednesday to send their requests in. Oh,
> and of course, I'll be doing this "for love" as my mom always says.
>
> Regards
> Marielle
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Becky Horne" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cory Library Church Records
>
>
> Hi Terrie
>
> Please don't feel like an idiot :o) This is a learning curve for all of us.
> The Cory Library website is for reference purposes only. You cannot call
> these records up. You either have to visit the library in person or hire a
> researcher to have a look at these records.
>
> Have you had a look at these sites for WARNER and WATERFALL.
> e-Family - http://www.e-family.co.za/
> SA Archives - http://www.national.archives.gov.za/
> FamilySearch -
> http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_I
> GI.asp&clear_form=true
>
> Why not send us an update on your research? Maybe we can assist?
>
> Best wishes
> Becky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terrie Fenton" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cory Library Church Records
>
> Names researching in SA - WARNER and WATERFALL
>
> Becky
> I have tried to sift through the records at the cory to find anglican
> registers for marriages for 1907 and for births(Baptisms) 1908 1909 and 1911
> but have yet to succeed in calling them up!! Do you know if the LDS has
> copies of these records you could order as I am in Australia and going
> increasingly frustrated with not being able to find any trace of my family
> records in SA I know they were there. My grandfather was a witness at the
> baptisms of his brothers children( in Wynberg) my dad and uncles were born
> in SA and my grandparents married there. I have messaged before but would
> some kind soul please tell me how to find these records??? I must be an
> idiot not to be able to do a successful search of cory!!
>
> Terrie
> (Frustrated Aussie)
>
> -------------------------------
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>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "colin mohr" <>
> To: <>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:41:04 +0200
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cory Library Church Records - lookups offered
> Hi,
> The search engine link seems to time out all the time. Maybe it is busy?
> Regards,
> Colin
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marielle Ford" <>
> To: "Eastern Cape" <>
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:13 AM
> Subject: [ZA-EC] Cory Library Church Records - lookups offered
>
>
> >
> >
> > Dear listers
> >
> > Perhaps I should clarify the nature of the documents available at Cory as
> > well: You would have to have some idea as to when and where your
> ancestors
> > were baptised/married etc so that I can request those particular
> registers.
> >
> > This is the search engine where you can see whether your register is there
> > or not http://opac.seals.ac.za:81/search~S1 For e.g. if
> I type in WIGGILL
> > and select Word as the search clue, this is what I get:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Request Estate papers of Isaac Wiggill : appointment of Mary
> > Anne Wiggill, his widow, Nathaniel Brown and Samuel Stanger as Executors
> > Testamentory, the co-executor named in the will, Thomas Corbett, having
> > declined to act (23.4.1863)
> > Wiggill, Isaac.
> > Cape Town : [s.n.], 23.4.1863.
> >
> > 1863
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2
> >
> >
> >
> > Request Wiggill family tree, history and related correspondence
> > Wiggill, Douwina M.
> > Pietersburg : [s.n.], 1986.
> >
> > 1986
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Very relevant titles entries 3-6
> > 3
> >
> >
> >
> > Request Correspondence : on various topics including the 1820
> > Settlers and the history of the Eastern Cape Province, 1970-1993
> > Butler, Guy (Frederick Guy), 1918-2000.
> > Various places : [s.n.], 1970-1993.
> >
> > 1993
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 4
> >
> >
> >
> > Request The Border Browns : family tree relating to 1820
> > settlers Stephen and Sarah Brown and their descendants, including a list
> of
> > military honours and awards, and records of service of various members of
> > the Brown family
> > Brown, Craig.
> > [S.l. : s.n.], 1996.
> >
> > 1996
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 5
> >
> >
> >
> > Request Tales of Transkei : memoirs of Jojimbalara (F T Kenyon
> > Egling) including (1) witchcraft; (2) the leopards of Port St John's; (3)
> > notable characters; (4) Engcobo and Mqanduli days; (5) murder cases; (6)
> > assorted tales; (7) more assorted tales; (8) other characters
> > Egling, Francis T. Kenyon.
> > [S.l. : s.n.]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 6
> >
> >
> >
> > Request When boys were men
> > 1969
> > Butler, Guy (Frederick Guy), 1918-2000.
> > Cape Town : Oxford University Press, 1969.
> >
> >
> >
> > If I then click on let's say, the second option, I get this page:
> >
> > Author Wiggill, Isaac.
> > Title Estate papers of Isaac Wiggill : appointment of Mary
> > Anne Wiggill, his widow, Nathaniel Brown and Samuel Stanger as Executors
> > Testamentory, the co-executor named in the will, Thomas Corbett, having
> > declined to act (23.4.1863) / Isaac Wiggill
> > Publish Cape Town : [s.n.], 23.4.1863.
> >
> >
> > LOCATION CALL NO.
> > Manuscript MS 18 660
> >
> > Details
> > Descript 1 leaf : 33cm , MS.
> > Series Albany Museum loan collection ; SM 5415 (1)
> > Eastern Province Guardian Archives.
> > Note 0,01m.
> > Albany Museum ref. : SM 5415 (1) .
> > CO MS 18 660 06 11046269 06 Manuscript R 090
> > Subject Corbett, Thomas.
> > Wiggill family.
> > Wiggill, Mary Anne.
> > Brown, Nathaniel.
> > Stanger, Samuel.
> > Executors and administrators -- South Africa.
> >
> >
> > The LOCATION and CALL NO are what I need in order to request the
> > document/s.
> >
> > If I type in "Baptismal Register" using Subject - I get a list of 279
> > districts that are available at Cory. Same with "Marriage record" etc.
> >
> > I hope this helps you to narrow down your searches. Unfortunately I
> > don't have time to do those searches for you before I go over there.
> >
> > Regards
> > Marielle
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marielle Ford"
> <>
> > To: "Eastern Cape"
> <>
> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:05 AM
> > Subject: [ZA-EC] Cory Library Church Records - lookups offered
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I really feel I owe the listers something concrete after all the help I've
> > received. I am pretty busy right now doing VAT & Tax (blech!) but am
> > planning a day at Cory in the next few weeks.
> >
> > If anyone wants a look-up, please email me off-list, using the subject
> > line - Cory Library Look-ups and your surname. I'll take digital images
> > where I can. Photocopies are usually available but cost moolah. If it's
> > just one page or so I'm happy to pay it for you, but can't commit to large
> > sums. So please also give me a postal address on your mail in case that's
> > all I can get.
> >
> > I'll give listers till about next Wednesday to send their requests in. Oh,
> > and of course, I'll be doing this "for love" as my mom always says.
> >
> > Regards
> > Marielle
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky Horne" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cory Library Church Records
> >
> >
> > Hi Terrie
> >
> > Please don't feel like an idiot :o) This is a learning curve for all of
> us.
> > The Cory Library website is for reference purposes only. You cannot call
> > these records up. You either have to visit the library in person or hire a
> > researcher to have a look at these records.
> >
> > Have you had a look at these sites for WARNER and WATERFALL.
> > e-Family - http://www.e-family.co.za/
> > SA Archives - http://www.national.archives.gov.za/
> > FamilySearch -
> >
> http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_I
> > GI.asp&clear_form=true
> >
> > Why not send us an update on your research? Maybe we can assist?
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Becky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Terrie Fenton" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Cory Library Church Records
> >
> > Names researching in SA - WARNER and WATERFALL
> >
> > Becky
> > I have tried to sift through the records at the cory to find anglican
> > registers for marriages for 1907 and for births(Baptisms) 1908 1909 and
> 1911
> > but have yet to succeed in calling them up!! Do you know if the LDS has
> > copies of these records you could order as I am in Australia and going
> > increasingly frustrated with not being able to find any trace of my family
> > records in SA I know they were there. My grandfather was a witness at the
> > baptisms of his brothers children( in Wynberg) my dad and uncles were
> born
> > in SA and my grandparents married there. I have messaged before but would
> > some kind soul please tell me how to find these records??? I must be an
> > idiot not to be able to do a successful search of cory!!
> >
> > Terrie
> > (Frustrated Aussie)
> >
> > -------------------------------
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "helen bigall" <>
> To:
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:19:21 -0400
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Charles Henry MORGAN
> Thanks Becky:
>
> Starting to wonder about my g grandmother Ethel Morgan. Still no definitive
> connection though.
>
> (Thought mine was born in Cape Town a little earlier than 1880 though she
> outlived hubby by alot.)
>
> Helen Bigall
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "helen bigall" <>
> To:
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:50:42 -0400
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] morgan
> Hi Jenny:
>
> Found one of my George Morgan's sisters living in England in 1901 British
> Census in an apartment complex "Devon Towers" with a Florence M. Whitehead
> (b 1869) in the building. Does she figure anywhere in your tree?
>
> Ellen Maria Steytler (nee MORGAN) shows as Eva M Heytler (spouse is John
> Steytler)
> Florence M Whitehead - shows as daughter of William and Louisa Whitehead
>
> Regards,
> Helen
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: John Hunt <>
> To: Genelist ECape <>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:48:58 -0400
> Subject: [ZA-EC] VOC coins
>
> Hi Folks,
> I was fortunate to win some VOC coins of the 1700s on Auction Explorer,
> which is usually old books. But I need some basic knowledge of the money
> used by the people at that time. I have a Stuiver and a couple of Duits and
> a half Duit. The coins are pretty worn, but the VOC insignia shows clearly
> on one side, with the year. The other side seems to have a heraldic shield,
> divided vertically, with a lion or other animal rampant on each side,
> outside the shield.
> My Dutch dictionary gave me Stuiver as five cents, but no reference to
> Duit. I know the Rixdollar was standard currency, even after the British
> came. I presume the Stuiver was five cents of that value. But what was the
> Duit. The Stuiver is curious, as it is not round, is 3-5 mm thick and looks
> as if a blob of metal was put in place and lightly stamped, with no trimmed
> edges. A little hard to describe.
> I would appreciate a little lecture about the currency or a link to
> anywhere I can get information.
> Regards to all,
> John Hunt.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Erik H. Wenzel" <>
> To:
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:59:56 +0200
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] VOC coins
> Hi John,
>
> At 17:48 25-7-2008, you wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> > I was fortunate to win some VOC coins of the 1700s on Auction Explorer,
> which is usually old books. But I need some basic knowledge of the money
> used by the people at that time. I have a Stuiver and a couple of Duits and
> a half Duit. The coins are pretty worn, but the VOC insignia shows clearly
> on one side, with the year. The other side seems to have a heraldic shield,
> divided vertically, with a lion or other animal rampant on each side,
> outside the shield.
> > My Dutch dictionary gave me Stuiver as five cents, but no reference to
> Duit. I know the Rixdollar was standard currency, even after the British
> came. I presume the Stuiver was five cents of that value. But what was the
> Duit. The Stuiver is curious, as it is not round, is 3-5 mm thick and looks
> as if a blob of metal was put in place and lightly stamped, with no trimmed
> edges. A little hard to describe.
> > I would appreciate a little lecture about the currency or a link to
> anywhere I can get information.
> > Regards to all,
> > John Hunt.
> >
>
> According to Dr.H. Enno van Gelder: De Nederlandse munten,
> Utrecht/Antwerpen, 1965, the Duit is the smallest coin and 1/8 of a Stuiver.
> I will look for you, whether the VOC is included in one of my catalogue's
> about dutch coinage.
> Can you send me scanned images of the coins to my email-address?
> Regards,
>
> Erik H. Wenzel
> Schoonhoven NL
> website: home.versatel.nl/Erik.Wenzel
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Heather MacAlister - Ancestry 24" <>
> To: <>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:26:56 +0200
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] VOC coins
> Hello John
>
> Hope this helps
>
> During the Dutch period, the form, guilder and rixdollar were the main
> currency denominations at the Cape. 1 According to Kristoff Glaman, the
> Dutch East India Company never succeeded in establishing a standard coin of
> the realm: bullion movement from West to East ensured that these currencies
> fluctuated widely depending on the area of their circulation.2 When
> demonetized European coinage was sent to the East, the coinage was actually
> physically clipped. The Cape, being midway between East and West, dealt with
> both values.
>
> By 1658 there arose the terms "heavy" and light" money: light (dipped) money
> which was fixed at 80 percent of its European heavy value. Officials were
> salaried in heavy money, but slave purchases from the East were often in
> light, sometimes called "Indian valuation." Moreover, many coins had
> different values simultaneously. The Company "unit of account" was, until
> 1658, the guilder, form, or real, which had a theoretical equal value in
> both Holland and Batavia. This was changed, and the Rixdaalder (rixdollar)
> which replaced the form or real as the unit of account, was fixed at 3 forms
> per rixdollar. This did not stay constant, but it is the best overall rate
> of exchange. I have used this rare of exchange for the thousands of slave
> sale prices. Spanish pieces of eight and realen were all roughly equivalent
> to a Horin. One further quirk deserves mention: the payment 0f Cape property
> was invariably in forms until 1795.
>
> There were various valuations of these denominations, even of "Cape"
> valuations.
> basic unit of currency below the unit of the rixdollar was the stuiver, but
> apart from
> British pennies there was little metallic currency in circulation at the
> Cape. There were
> real banks until the late eighteenth century. Because 0f the fluctuating
> value of the
> Rixdollar, gold and silver fled the country, as W. W. Bird, the chief
> comptroller of customs remarked in 1822: "The golden and silver age are
> forgotten by the inhabitants Cape, and are only remembered in Ovid's
> metamorphosis."3 In the seventeenth century several other currencies were
> also accepted. To simplify, I have always converted all currencies to
> rixdollars, which survived well into the British periods (1795 to
> and 1806 to 1820), after which English pounds, shillings, and pence became
> the standard currency.
> The basic unit of acreage was the moTgen, which was about 2.25 acres. 1 have
> used morgen throughout, since this measure also survived into the Baravian
> (1803-and two British occupations (1795-1802; 1806-1815).
>
> Source: Children of Bonage by Prof. Robert Shell
>
>
> Heather MacAlister
> Channel Manager
>
> Tel:021 468 8088
> Fax: 021 468 8207
> Mobile: 082 8082251
> www.ancestry24.co.za <http://www.ancestry24.co.za/>;
>
> MSN:
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: on
> behalf of John Hunt
> Sent: Fri 2008/07/25 05:48 PM
> To: Genelist ECape
> Subject: [ZA-EC] VOC coins
>
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
> I was fortunate to win some VOC coins of the 1700s on Auction Explorer,
> which is usually old books. But I need some basic knowledge of the money
> used by the people at that time. I have a Stuiver and a couple of Duits and
> a half Duit. The coins are pretty worn, but the VOC insignia shows clearly
> on one side, with the year. The other side seems to have a heraldic shield,
> divided vertically, with a lion or other animal rampant on each side,
> outside the shield.
> My Dutch dictionary gave me Stuiver as five cents, but no reference to
> Duit. I know the Rixdollar was standard currency, even after the British
> came. I presume the Stuiver was five cents of that value. But what was the
> Duit. The Stuiver is curious, as it is not round, is 3-5 mm thick and looks
> as if a blob of metal was put in place and lightly stamped, with no trimmed
> edges. A little hard to describe.
> I would appreciate a little lecture about the currency or a link to
> anywhere I can get information.
> Regards to all,
> John Hunt.
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Eighteen-Twenty Settlers <>
> To:
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:00:37 +0000 (GMT)
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Fw: ZIERVOGEL - SMITH - LOVEMORE - HEATHCOTE - SHAW
> Hi Fay,
>
> Do you have a typo with the birth dates of Kathleen Mary Heathcote b: July
> 9, 1909 and Albert Ziervogel Heathcote b: July 4, 1909?
> Five days apart?
>
>
> Rgds
>
> Paul TT
> --
> Paul Tanner-Tremaine
> Hampshire, England
> email :
> website : www.1820Settlers.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Becky Horne <>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 July, 2008 10:13:04 PM
> Subject: [ZA-EC] Fw: ZIERVOGEL - SMITH - LOVEMORE - HEATHCOTE - SHAW
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fay & Brian Lea
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:32 PM
> Subject: ZIERVOGEL - SMITH - LOVEMORE - HEATHCOTE - SHAW
>
>
> I have received an email from a gentleman who found a grave in Hastings
> UK for Ewald Benedictus ZIERVOGEL.
>
>
>
> I have the following information on the family who resided in Cradock.
>
> If anyone has any additional information on the name Ziervogel or any of
> the following families it would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Regards Fay
>
>
>
> Jermias Frederick Ziervogel b: 1834 d:
> 1905
>
> .. +Susannah Hartley Smith
>
> ......... 2 Lilian Martha Ziervogel b: July 19,
> 1874
>
> ............. +Robert William Thomas Shaw
>
> ......... 2 Maude Ziervogel b: March 15, 1879
>
> ......... 2 Helen Ziervogel
>
>
>
>
>
> Minnie Ethel Ziervogel b: 1880
>
> .. +Frederick Lovell Heathcote b: July 3, 1876 m: July
> 10, 1901 in St Peter's Cradock
>
> ......... 2 Mimie Lovell Heathcote b: April 10,
> 1904 in Brooklands Cradock d: Aug 1, 1979 in P.. E
>
> ........... +Andrew Gerald Lovemore
> m: Sept 12, 1929
>
> ......... 2 Kathleen Mary Heathcote b: July 9, 1909
> in Richmond Alexandria d: Oct 18, 1977 in Cradock
>
> ............. +William Alfred Copeman
> m: March 1922 in Alexandria
>
> ......... 2 Albert Ziervogel Heathcote b: July 4, 1909 in
> Cradock
>
> ............. +Doreen Oke
>
>
>
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:
> To:
> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:02:32 +0000
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] ZIERVOGEL - SMITH - LOVEMORE - HEATHCOTE - SHAW
> Hi Faye and all HEATHCOTE interest group:
>
> I have Emma Mary HEATHCOTE
> b November 07, 1850 Grahamstown, Cape Province, South Africa
> d: April 22, 1922 Kidds Beach, Eastern Cape, South Africa.
> buried: Gulu Cemetry, Gulu District, East London, Eastern Cape, South Africa
> m: John Henry Philipps CARLISLE, May 17, 1869
>
> I have Emma Mary HEATHCOTE's father as being George Gage HEATHCOTE.
>
> Any connections to the HEATHCOTE's of this ZIERVOGEL - SMITH - LOVEMORE -
> HEATHCOTE - SHAW enquiry?
>
> Heather Carlisle
> Florida, USA
>
>
> > From: Fay & Brian Lea
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:32 PM
>
> > I have received an email from a gentleman who found a grave in Hastings
> > UK for Ewald Benedictus ZIERVOGEL.
>
> > I have the following information on the family who resided in Cradock.
> >
> > If anyone has any additional information on the name Ziervogel or any of
> > the following families it would be appreciated.
> >
> > Regards Fay
>
> > Jermias Frederick Ziervogel b: 1834 d: 1905
> >
> > .. +Susannah Hartley Smith
> >
> > ......... 2 Lilian Martha Ziervogel b: July 19,
> > 1874
> >
> > ............. +Robert William Thomas Shaw
> >
> > ......... 2 Maude Ziervogel b: March 15, 1879
> >
> > ......... 2 Helen Ziervogel
> >
> > Minnie Ethel Ziervogel b: 1880
> >
> > .. +Frederick Lovell Heathcote b: July 3, 1876 m: July
> > 10, 1901 in St Peter's Cradock
> >
> > ......... 2 Mimie Lovell Heathcote b: April 10,
> > 1904 in Brooklands Cradock d: Aug 1, 1979 in P.. E
> >
> > ........... +Andrew Gerald Lovemore
> > m: Sept 12, 1929
> >
> > ......... 2 Kathleen Mary Heathcote b: July 9, 1909
> > in Richmond Alexandria d: Oct 18, 1977 in Cradock
> >
> > ............. +William Alfred Copeman
> > m: March 1922 in Alexandria
> >
> > ......... 2 Albert Ziervogel Heathcote b: July 4, 1909 in
> > Cradock
> >
> ............. +Doreen Oke
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Douglas & Irene Hicks" <>
> To: <>
> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:21:25 +1000
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] ADMIN - God bless Zimbabwe
> Hello Lynette Oakes,
> Thanks to the Rhodesian web-sites you gave me, I've been able to track down
> one of my cousins from one of his Air Force service friends.
> Thanks for suggesting I try the site.
> Regards,
> Douglas, Winmalee Aust
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: John Hunt <>
> To: <>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:10:55 -0400
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] VOC coins
>
> Dear Erik,
> I scanned the coins and wrote you a nice long e-mail, but the e-mail
> bounced . I checked the address, and I have it correct. I know we can't
> send attachments to the list, so I'm stuck.
> Regards,
> John Hunt.> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:59:56 +0200> To:
> > From:
> > Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] VOC coins> > Hi John,> > At
> 17:48 25-7-2008, you wrote:> > >Hi Folks,> > I was fortunate to win some VOC
> coins of the 1700s on Auction > > Explorer, which is usually old books. But
> I need some basic > > knowledge of the money used by the people at that
> time. I have a > > Stuiver and a couple of Duits and a half Duit. The coins
> are > > pretty worn, but the VOC insignia shows clearly on one side, with >
> > the year. The other side seems to have a heraldic shield, divided > >
> vertically, with a lion or other animal rampant on each side, > > outside
> the shield.> > My Dutch dictionary gave me Stuiver as five cents, but no > >
> reference to Duit. I know the Rixdollar was standard currency, > > even
> after the British came. I presume the Stuiver was five cents > > of that
> value. But what was the Duit. The Stuiver is curious, as > > it is not
> round, is 3-5 mm thick and looks as if a blob of metal > > was put in place
> and lightly stamped, with no trimmed edges. A > > little hard to describe.>
> > I would appreciate a little lecture about the currency or a link > > to
> anywhere I can get information.> >Regards to all,> >John Hunt.> > According
> to Dr.H. Enno van Gelder: De Nederlandse munten, > Utrecht/Antwerpen, 1965,
> the Duit is the smallest coin and 1/8 of a Stuiver.> I will look for you,
> whether the VOC is included in one of my > catalogue's about dutch coinage.>
> Can you send me scanned images of the coins to my email-address?> Regards,>
> > Erik H. Wenzel> Schoonhoven NL> website: home.versatel.nl/Erik.Wenzel > >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Marielle Ford" <>
> To: "Eastern Cape" <>, "British
> Immigrants" <>,
> <>
> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:10:44 +0200
> Subject: [ZA-EC] Militaria
> If anyone is keen to purchase military ephemera, there are several such
> items for sale on www.bidorbuy.co.za (not by me, this is just a valid
> pointer for those who seek mementos of their forebears).
> http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/jsp/userprofile/UserTradeList.jsp?User_UserId=980159
>
> May I recommend that you check each seller's ratings to see how well they do
> business. I have bought many bits and pieces and have always had good
> service so far.
>
> Regards
> Marielle
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