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From: Caroline DE BRUIN <>
Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Hattingh / Hatting
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 17:11:53 +0100
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Hello Russell,
I have had a look at the 1820 Settlers cd but could not find your Amelia Jane
BAILLIE*1844 † 1914



But i did a bit of Google and came up with this is this your lady you
are looking for?

ID: I205364
Name: Amelia Jane BAILIE
Given Name: Amelia Jane
Surname: BAILIE
Sex: F
Birth: 31 May 1844
Death: 14 Apr 1919
Reference Number: b4c1 1
Event: Natural Association
_UID: AFDE82C0061C437B9C87E1F7DCE3C1B3DD33
Change Date: 10 Apr 2005 at 22:36




Marriage 1 Charles MURRAY b: 26 Feb 1833
Married: 24 Oct 1861 in Stellenbosch, Cape Of Good Hope, South Africa
Event: None
Change Date: 10 Apr 2005

Sources:
Abbrev: Ahlers, JR databasis
Title: Databasis Ahlers, JR
Author: Ahlers, JR

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If this is your lady then when did she marry HATTINGH ?



Taken from SAG1:
BAILIE
c1: Amelia Jane BAILIE Stellenbosch X 24.10.1861 Charles MURRAY
daughter of John Amelius BAILIE* 16.01.1813 Londen † Kaapstad
20.06.1883 x Elizabeth LUCUS* c. 1823 † Kaapstad 20.06.18
*************************************

Taken from 1820 Settlers cd:

1. John Amelius (Rev) BAILIE 1820 [04827]

The parents of John Amelius (Rev) BAILIE 1820 are:

2. John (Lt) BAILIE 1820 [04828] John 's occupation was a Civil
Servant and Royal Naval Officer. John was born July 5, 1788 at at Sea
on the "CARNARTIC", Angola. John and Amelia CRAUSE 1820 [05028] were
married about 1807. [05517] John died July 29,
1852 of drowning in a sea rescue attempt of the "Hector" at St John's
Church, KwaZulu Natal, South Africa.

3. Amelia CRAUSE 1820 [05028] Amelia was born February 29, 1792 at
Pembury, Kent, England. Amelia and John (Lt) BAILIE 1820 [04828] were
married about 1807. Amelia died in 1864 at Grahamstown, Eastern Cape,
South Africa.



John was born in 1815.

John was baptised at London Church (St Mary's, Lambeth), London, England.

John and Elizabeth LUCAS [17620] were married in 1842.

[17620]

John was buried at Stellenbosch, Western Cape, South Africa.
***************************************************

1. John (Lt) BAILIE 1820 [04828]

The parents of John (Lt) BAILIE 1820 are:

2. Thomas (Col) BAILIE [15289] lived at Inishargy, Co Down, Ireland.
Thomas was born about (est) 1765. Thomas and Anne HOPE [17209] were
married. Thomas died in 1814 at London, England.

3. Anne HOPE [17209] was born about (est) 1770. Anne and Thomas (Col)
BAILIE [15289] were married.



John's occupation was a Civil Servant and Royal Naval Officer.

John was born July 5, 1788 at at Sea on the "CARNARTIC", Angola.

John and Amelia CRAUSE 1820 [05028] (the daughter of Charles CRAUSE )
were married about 1807.

John and Amelia had the following children:

4. i. Thomas Cockburn (Col) BAILIE 1820 [04830] Thomas was in the 7th
Bombay N I. Thomas was born in 1808. Thomas was baptised at London
Church (St Mary's, Lambeth), London, England. Thomas and Margaret Ann
CAMPBELL 1820 [15818] were married December 16, 1834 at Grahamstown,
Eastern Cape, South Africa by Rev John Heavyside. Thomas died in
1876.

5. ii. Charles Theodore BAILIE 1820 [04825] Charles was born August
19, 1810 at London, England. Charles was baptised in 1811 at London
Church (St George the Martyr, Southwark), London, England. Charles and
Letitia Margaret ROBERTSON [05413] were married December 10, 1833 at
Grahamstown Church (St George's - Anglican), Grahamstown, Eastern
Cape, South Africa by Rev John Heavyside. Charles died June 27, 1835
of in Military Action, 6th Frontier War (1834 -1835) [Hintsa's War] at
Umnxesha River. Charles was buried October 7, 1835 at Umnxesha River.

6. iii. Archibald Hope BAILIE 1820 [04823] Archibald was born
September 27, 1812. Archibald was baptised about 1813 at London
Church (St Mary's, Lambeth), London, England.
[12165] Archibald and Jane Amelia CUMMING [05036] were married
November 2, 1835 at Grahamstown Church (St George's - Anglican),
Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa by Rev John Heavyside.
Archibald 's occupation was a Farmer in 1839 at Harewood?. Archibald
's occupation was a Bandmaster in 1844 at Port Elizabeth, Eastern
Cape, South Africa. Archibald died June 23, 1850 of from wounds
received in 1846 at Port Elizabeth, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

7. iv. John Amelius (Rev) BAILIE 1820 [04827] John was born in 1815.
John was baptised at London Church (St Mary's, Lambeth), London,
England. John and Elizabeth LUCAS [17620] were married in 1842.
[17620] John was buried at Stellenbosch, Western Cape, South
Africa.

8. v. Maurice BAILIE [15288] was born about 1818.

9. vi. Isabella Bennett BAILIE [15287] was born November 10, 1821.
Isabella was baptised March 25, 1827 at Bathurst, Eastern Cape, South
Africa by Rev Thomas Ireland. [05517]
[12165] Isabella and Charles Hugh HUNTLEY CMG [17273] were
married April 28, 1841 at Grahamstown Church (St George's - Anglican),
Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa by Rev John Heavyside.
Isabella died after 1850.

John witnessed Charles Theodore BAILIE 1820 [04825] and Letitia
Margaret ROBERTSON get married December 10, 1833 at Grahamstown Church
(St George's - Anglican), Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa by
Rev John Heavyside.

Witness: John Bailie, William Lucas, Isabella Bailie

John died July 29, 1852 of drowning in a sea rescue attempt of the
"Hector" at St John's Church, KwaZulu Natal, South Africa.

John Bailie the 1820 Settler was the son of Col. Thomas Bailie and was
born on the Carnatic at Angola 5th July 1788. During the Frontier War
of 1835 military operations were greatly handicapped for want of a
sea-port on the coast. In order to establish a port, Lt. Bailie, at
his own expense, surveyed the coast from Port Elizabeth to the Buffalo
River and took a cargo of supplies in the Knysna Brig, and off loaded
them at themouth of the Buffalo River. On his recommendation East
London was built there. His son Charles was a member of the
expedition into Tembuland and Pondoland in 1828 against the Fetcani.
He was killed in the Sixth Frontier War,1835, and a memorial tablet
has been erected at the spot where he fell, and the place is known as
Bailie's Grave Post. The son John became a missionary in Namaqualand.
The son Archibald died of wounds received in the Seventh Frontier
War, 1846. In 1848 Lt. Bailie established a trading station in
Durban. In 1852 he surveyed the coast as far as Durban. Returning in
his yacht Haidee, he observed the barque Hector in distress off the
Natal coast. Boarding her with some of his men he endeavored to save
her, but a storm arose and the Hector was wrecked. Some of the crew
managed to escape in a boat which was smashed in the surf, but Lt.
Bailie, who was then an old man, perished with the ship. On Signal
Hill, East London, there is a memorial to Bailie, the founder of the
town.

BAILIE, John. Head of a party and who played an important role in the
establishment of East London on the Buffalo River, as a post, after
making surveys of the coast and river mouths from Fort Frederick now
Port Elizabeth, to the Buffalo River, East London.
SOURCE: The Settler named Jeremiah Goldswain by Pauline GOLDSWAIN
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Regards Caroline




On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Caroline DE BRUIN <> wrote:
> Hello Russell,
> Please excuse my mistakes it was late last night when i did this !
>
> Correction:
> (f2: Lodewyk Johannes Diederik * 20.06.1890 bap Prins Albert † Goodwood
>  30.01.1976 x Hopefield, Susanna Maria LOUBSER † Bellville 25.08.1966)
>
> *********************************
>
> These are the children of:
> e12: David Petrus Roux * 22.08.1863 bap Prins Albert x Amelia Jane
> BAILLIE
>
> f1: Amelia Margaret Annie *24.03.1888 bap Kimberley
>
> f2: Lodewyk Johannes Diederik * 20.06.1890 bap Prins Albert † Goodwood
>  30.01.1976 x Hopefield, Susanna Maria LOUBSER † Bellville 25.08.1966
>
> f3: Isabella Francis* 10.01.1892
> f4: David Pieter Roux* 15.12.1893 bap Prins Albert
> f5: Margaret Elizabeth Magdalena *27.08.1895 bap Beaufort - Wes
> f6: John Amelius*08.05.1897 bap Beaufort - Wes † Parow 20.01.1979 x
> Observatory,Martha Maria VERMEULEN † Laingsburg 21.07.1981
> f7: Frank Corning Baillie* 18.11.1898 bap Hopefield † 18.04.1940 x
>  Louisa Elizabeth GRADY
> f8: David Peter Baillie* 10.04.1902 bap Vredenburg † Kaapstad 26.05.1974
> f9: Charles Theodore *18.10.1907 † Johannesburg 03.06.1971 x Cornelia
> Engela Helena NORTJE
>
> *************************************
> In this system the genealogical number of the South Africa progenitor
> of the family is "a," his children are numberered chronologically
> "b1," "b2" etc; his grandchildren are the "c," generation and his
> great- grandchildren "d" and so on!
>
> Caroline
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Caroline DE BRUIN <> wrote:
>> Hello RusselI,
>> I have posted it to S-A- E Cape members, just incase it can help other
>> members on list!
>>
>>
>>
>> HATTINGH / HATTING
>>
>> e12: David Petrus Roux * 22.08.1863 bap Prins Albert x Amelia Jane BAILLIE
>>
>> f1: Amelia Margaret Annie *24.03.1888 bap Kimberley
>>
>> f2: Lodewyk Johannes Diederik * 20.06.1980 bap Prins Albert † Goodwood
>> 30.01.1976 x Hopefield, Susanna Maria LOUBSER † Bellville 25.08.1966
>> g1: David Peter Roux* 10.04.1915 x Elizabeth Carolina Louisa VINK
>> g2: Helen Agnes x SCOTT
>>
>> f3: Isabella Francis* 10.01.1892
>> f4: David Pieter Roux* 15.12.1893 bap Prins Albert
>> f5: Margaret Elizabeth Magdalena *27.08.1895 bap Beaufort - Wes
>>
>> f6: John Amelius*08.05.1897 bap Beaufort - Wes † Parow 20.01.1979 x
>> Observatory,Martha Maria VERMEULEN † Laingsburg 21.07.1981
>> g1: Montomery Douglas * 20.12.1922 † Oos - Londen 21.08.1967 x Oos -
>> Londen 09.08.1954 Johanna VOSLOO
>> g2: Daphne Amelia * 01.05.1925 bap Stellenbosch
>> g3: Johanna Frederika
>> g4: John David
>>
>> f7: Frank Corning Baillie* 18.11.1898 bap Hopefield † 18.04.1940 x
>> Louisa Elizabeth GRADY
>> g1:Frank Corning Baillie* 14.08.1923 bap Stellenbosch x Audrey Myrtle CLARK
>> g2: Daphne Pauline * 23.05.1925
>> g3: Eileen*05.08.1927
>> g4: Myrtle Edna *02.10.1929
>> g5: Mavis Lorraine *18.12.1933
>>
>> f8: David Peter Baillie* 10.04.1902 bap Vredenburg † Kaapstad 26.05.1974
>>
>> f9: Charles Theodore *18.10.1907 † Johannesburg 03.06.1971 x Cornelia
>> Engela Helena NORTJE
>> g1: Johanna Susanna* 12.06.1935 bap La Rochelle x PIENAAR
>> g2: Charles Theodore * 06.02.1937 bap Pretoria - Noord x Susanna
>> Catharina LAMBRECHT
>> g3: Kenneth *10.05.1939 bap La Rochelle x Jonnet Violet Lucy HATTINGH
>> g4: William David
>> g5: Amelia Jane x SMITH
>> g6: Helena Engela x DU PREEZ
>> g7: Stella Patricia x CORDIER
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards Caroline
>> ******************************************************
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Russell <> wrote:
>>> Dear Caroline
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for the excellent information. I don't have any of the
>>> nine children, so would be very grateful for any info.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Russell
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline DE BRUIN" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:52 AM
>>> Subject: [ZA-EC] Hattingh / Hatting
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Russell,
>>>>
>>>> Taken from SAG
>>>>
>>>> HATTINGH / HATTING
>>>>
>>>> Hans Heinrich HATTING* c. 1662 a. voor 1693
>>>> waarskynlik van Speyer in Duitsland,eienaar van Hadersleben en Spier
>>>> naby Stellenbosch † voor 29.04.1729
>>>> x 19.01.1698 Marie DE LANOY  van Frankryk wed.v. Ary Lecrévent xx
>>>> Stellenbosch 06.11.1716 Susanna VISSER v.d.K (sy xx 10.02.1732 Wilhelm
>>>> Rubeck (Rube)
>>>>
>>>> b8: Christiaan bap Stellenbosh 05.06.1718 † Swartberg 25.09.1786 x
>>>> Swartland 08.10.1747 Ann Catharina BASSON
>>>>
>>>> c8: Johannes Jacobus bap Tulbagh 31.03.1765 † Swartberg 22.06.1810 x
>>>> 17.10.1790 Isabella Rachel DU PREEZ † 05.02.1863
>>>>
>>>> e12: David Petrus Roux * 22.08.1863 bap Prins Albert x Amelia Jane BAILLIE
>>>>
>>>> I have 9 children of David & Amelia will you be needing them aswell or
>>>> do you have them if so put them down and i will check if your dates
>>>> are the same as SAG
>>>>
>>>> I hope this has helped!
>>>> Caroline - Belgium
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Listers
>>>>
>>>> I was intrigued to see the BAILIE and HATTINGH references below. I am
>>>> looking for more information on David P. HATTINGH who married Amelia Jane
>>>> BAILIE around 1860. Perhaps some kind Lister has access to the SAG
>>>> HATTINGH
>>>> entries?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Russell
>>>>
>>>>
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