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From: "Peter Kirkman" <>
Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] PAINTER
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:42:05 +0200
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Hi Jenn,

The PAINTER/CHEMINAIS connection arose as follows:

Richard Joseph PAINTER who married Mary KIRKMAN had a previous marriage to
Martha URRY (1810-1836).
Martha died relatively young after producing two children, the eldest being:

Edwin Joseph PAINTER (1834-1911) who married firstly Emily Martha PEDLAR
(1850-1887). Their fourth child was:

Meredith Grace PAINTER (1878-1939) who married Albert Edward BEGBIE
(1876-1910). Their fourth daughter was:

Jessie Grace Mary BEGBIE (1902-1907) who married Albert CHEMINAIS (1902-??).
I have three children recorded, John Albert, Michael and Malcolm. Not sure
where your brother-in-law ties into the above picture. (Source: The
descendants of Samuel Richard Painter, 1820 Settler, by Margie Muller).

Regards - Peter


----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] PAINTER


> Just for interest!
>
> Meredith Grace Painter married Albert Edward Begbie. Their dau, Jessie
> Grace
> married Albert Cheminais. My sister is married to Christopher (Sean)
> Cheminais. I still have to find the connection.
>
> Cheers
>
> jenn
>
> Graham & Jennifer Lloyd
> [Genealogical & Historical Research]
> 2 Constantia Court
> River's End Road
> Plumstead 7800
> Cape Town
> South Africa
> Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875
> Mobile: 0824037343
> email:
> http://southafricanfamily.com
>
> I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged
>
> Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass
> It's about learning to dance in the rain
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Kirkman" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] NILAND
>
>
>> Hello again Jennifer,
>>
>> Actually they managed to squeeze in two generations between the folk in
>> question:
>>
>> Samuel Richard PAINTER & Harriet BAILEY had a son Richard Joseph PAINTER
>> (1803-1881) who married Mary KIRKMAN (1814-1907) (elder sister of my
>> g-grandfather John). Their son Walter Frederick Painter (1843-1920)
>> married
>> Mary Emma GILL (1856-1928). Mary Amelia Thompson Painter (1880-1947)
>> (Grace
>> NILAND's mother) was their firstborn.
>>
>> Worth another hug?
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] NILAND
>>
>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> I could Hug you! Thank you so very much.
>>>
>>> Does the CV fit>>> she was an absolute dragon - and this is an 11 -12
>>> year
>>> old's impression!
>>> Wow, she was human after all.
>>>
>>> Were Mary's parents Samuel Richard Painter & Harriet Bailey?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Jenn
>>>
>>> Graham & Jennifer Lloyd
>>> [Genealogical & Historical Research]
>>> 2 Constantia Court
>>> River's End Road
>>> Plumstead 7800
>>> Cape Town
>>> South Africa
>>> Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875
>>> Mobile: 0824037343
>>> email:
>>> http://southafricanfamily.com
>>>
>>> I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged
>>>
>>> Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass
>>> It's about learning to dance in the rain
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Kirkman" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] NILAND
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Jennifer,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I have Grace firmly fixed as the eldest daughter of Bernard John
>>>> Niland
>>>> and Mary Amelia Thompson Painter. In other words she was "1820" from
>>>> both
>>>> sides. She was born on 7 Sep 1906 in Fort Beaufort, and died on 2 Aug
>>>> 1982
>>>> just before her 75th birthday. "She trained as a teacher in
>>>> Grahamstown,
>>>> taught in various Cape Town schools, became Deputy Principal of Wynberg
>>>> Girls Primary School, retired in 1965, remained a spinster, was said to
>>>> have
>>>> smoked an average of 60 cigarettes a day, was remembered as a
>>>> delightful
>>>> personality, good for a party, and played all card games like a
>>>> seasoned
>>>> gambler." Does that CV seem to fit?
>>>>
>>>> Regards - Peter
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Graham and Jennifer Lloyd" <>
>>>> Cc: <>;
>>>> <>;
>>>> <>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:14 PM
>>>> Subject: [ZA-EC] NILAND
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> Grace Niland taught at Wynberg girls Junior School and when I was a
>>>>> pupil
>>>>> there 1956.... she must have been about 60 years. Does anyone have her
>>>>> on
>>>>> their tree. She never married.
>>>>> This is all the info I have
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Jennifer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham & Jennifer Lloyd
>>>>> [Genealogical & Historical Research]
>>>>> 2 Constantia Court
>>>>> River's End Road
>>>>> Plumstead 7800
>>>>> Cape Town
>>>>> South Africa
>>>>> Tel: +0027 (0)21 7974875
>>>>> Mobile: 0824037343
>>>>> email:
>>>>> http://southafricanfamily.com
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not stuck, I'm Ancestrally challenged
>>>>>
>>>>> Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass
>>>>> It's about learning to dance in the rain
>>>>>
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