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From: shirley paladin <>
Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Florence Emma Harvey
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:32:11 +0200
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Hi Tessa

I too have found mistakes on Death Notices, so I check as many
original documents as possible to confirm details. I am amazed at the
number of people have no idea what the names of grandparents were!
The DN for Albina was signed by by her daughter Lilian Albina HARVEY
(Executor) who resided with her mother.

With regard to Nathaniel (spellings vary but he spelt his name
Nathaniel), he was the Market Master and Town Clerk in Smithfield
before the Boer War and lost everything during the war (I have a copy
of his Claim for Compensation dated Nov 1904 where he states that he
and his family were in a Concentration Camp in Aliwal North and lost
all their possesions during the war etc) see further link below
(his initial is given as A but probably misinterpreted as th N in his
signature looks like an A). He had two sons at the time of the Boer
War, Herbert Charles HARVEY who joined Brabants Horse in 1900 and
Ernest John HARVEY who joined Kitchener's Scouts and at the time of
the claim (1904) were still alive - Herbert living in Johannesburg and
Ernest John still serving in Pietermaritzburg.

http://www.lib.uct.ac.za/mss/bccd/Farm/19805/Harvey_family/

After the war the family moved to Rouxville - I have been unable to
find a Death Notice or Will for him but found a copy of his Burial in
the Rouxville OFS Anglican Church Register (where he died at the age
of 65 on 10 Nov 1908 of paralysis of the heart and was buried in
Rouxville on the 11 Nov 1908. ( Source: Anglican Church Archives, Wits
- Rouxville Burials 1908 Page 13 Entry # 103)

Best wishes

Shirley

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Tessa King <> wrote:
> Hi Shirley
>
> Thanks for sharing. Death Notice info supplied by family members can be
> incorrect. It depends on who is filling it out. Who signed the DN for
> Elizabeth Albina HARVEY. I could not find a DN for Nathaniel, Nathaneal or
> Nathan HARVEY on NAAIRS. Do you have his DN? Or, do you know when he died?
>
> I am inclined to go with Elizabeth's DN and the fact that Florence Emma
> GRADWELL nee HARVEY is listed as her daughter. Her own daughter is
> completing the DN some 20 years after the death of her grandparents so this
> could account for errors. The dob and place of birth for Florence fits the
> time line. They may have left Grahamstown and returned to the Free State
> prior to her birth and this is the reason she is not listed in the Baptist
> register.
>
> Thanks Shirley for your input.
>
> Take care
> Tessa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shirley paladin
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:25 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Florence Emma Harvey
>
> Hi Russell
>
> I do have a copy of Florence's Death Notice and I also have a copy of
> Elizabeth Albina,s Death Notice and the information on there confirms
> Albina's husband as Nathanial HARVEY and one of her daughters as a
> Florence Emma GRADWELL.  Florence Emma is not listed as one of Job's
> children on his Death Notice but I suppose anything is possible !
>
> Regards
> Shirley
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Russell <> wrote:
>> Dear Shirley
>>
>> Have a look at Florence's Death Notice at https://familysearch.org which
>> shows her parents as Job HARVEY and Albina Emma ORSMOND.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Russell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "shirley paladin" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] Florence Emma Harvey
>>
>>
>> Hi Bev
>>
>> According to my information I have a Florence Emma HARVEY b abt march
>> 1875 in Smithfield OFS who was one of 10 children born to Nathaniel
>> HARVEY and Albina Elizabeth ORSMOND. Nathaniel was the son of Job
>> HARVEY and Ruth ALDUM and Albina Elizabeth ORSMOND was the daughter of
>> Charles ORSMOND and Ruth HARVEY.  Job HARVEY and Ruth HARVEY were
>> brother and sister which makes Nathaniel and Albina first cousins.
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Shirley
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Bev Orsmond <>
>> wrote:
>>> Who were the parents of Florence Emma Harvey, Vrede OFS. I believe her
>>> mother was an Orsmond. If I am right I am interested in the Orsmond
>>> geneology.
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>>
>>
>>
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