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From: "Tessa King" <>
Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] GODFREY 1820 Robert..a bit ofbackground andSMITH./BENSON
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 03:43:15 +0200
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Hi Darryl

Thanks so much. So frustrating! Somewhere there must be records of the two
girls. We have the baptisms for the other three children of Robert and
Caroline. So where did they go and live between 1847 and 1852?

Thanks for trying for us. Much appreciated.

Take care
Tessa

-----Original Message-----
From: Darryl Wells Allwright
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:25 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] GODFREY 1820 Robert..a bit ofbackground
andSMITH./BENSON

Hi

I cannot find the Baptism for Maria but have found the baptisms for
Robert b 8 March 1820 bapt 5 June 1822 (Ref MS 15 869 Register of
Baptism Alexandria & Salem (1820-1859) Entry 100) and Thomas GODFREY
b18 May 1822 bapt 5 June 1822 (Ref MS 15 869 Register of Baptism
Alexandria & Salem (1820-1859) Entry 101) in the register which are
the sons of Robert and Martha Page (Parents Residence given as
Somerset and occupation Wheelwright

So we are still left in the dark

Regards

Darryl Allwright
P MO Box 166
Grahamstown
6139
Cell:076-091-2764
Fax: 086-513-3779


Quoting Tessa King <>:

> Hi Cheri
>
> Thanks for clarifying it. I have changed his wife to Mary BENSON and just
> put the details for the other marriage into the notes. As you say, it
> would
> be good to see the signatures on the marriage entry. Hopefully it will
> eventually get posted to the internet. SMITH like KING is very common and
> so
> difficult to research. I hate having to use a search engine because you
> get
> everything from town names where King or king has been used to words with
> king in them. So difficult. I have not pursued my John Henry KING because
> of
> that. I spent days and days at Kew Gardens going through army records and
> there were just so many with the same names that I eventually gave up. On
> my
> last day I asked to see the films of the 1820 Settlers and lo and behold I
> was given the actual letters. I photographed as much as I could that first
> day and only months later when Sue and I were chatting I mentioned them to
> her. She then went back and carried on from where I had stopped and then
> did
> all those amazing transcripts. I am good at taking the pictures but just
> don't have the time to do the transcripts. But I still don't have anything
> more on John Henry. Painful to say the least.
>
> I must just tell you that Darryl is going out of his way to help us find
> the
> birth date for Elizabeth Martha. But he doesn't pay attention to the
> emails.
> He sent me a text yesterday to say he had found her name in the index and
> was going to go and photograph it on Monday. I phoned him and again told
> him
> we have her baptism but there is no dob on it. We want Maria's baptism
> entry
> and she supposedly was born in Alexandria. I just find this strange and am
> wondering whether she has been wrongly attached to Robert. But he is going
> to see what he can find. I have some Alexandria entries which I
> photographed
> when there in April, but there is nothing for any Godfrey. Also have some
> of
> the graves photographed but nothing for her. So onward we march.
>
> Take care
> Tessa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cheri Marshall
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:40 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] GODFREY 1820 Robert..a bit of background
> andSMITH./BENSON
>
> Hi Tessa,
> George signs the 1820 settler letters and then I had the image from
> Pallots.
> And then the entry on the Lancashire PR.
> I think to clarify things....They kept the name SMITH for two generations
> and then reverted to "BENSON SMITH" as there were three SMITH families who
> married into each other> Georges family 1)married into the John Francis
> SMITH X Elizabeth CANNON line Twice and then other Generations married
> into
> SMITHS as well. So our line adopted "BENSON SMITH" and we became double
> barrel, named from "my" Mary BENSON who was a milliners apprentice prior
> to
> her marriage.
> I see some of the rest of the family are BENSON-SMITH and some are Benson
> middle name and then SMITH....so you can imagine how I have battled to
> find
> the correct people. If it were not For Neville NICOLAU who did the
> original
> tree and then Nolene who helped me fill the correct children in I would
> have
> been utterly lost.
> On top of that George's family married the PAXTON line three times as
> well.
> I can well believe that he may have married before but his attestation
> papers from KEW don't mention it and he was a full time soldier until
> 1815.
> The problem is that his is such a common name that until I see signature
> on
> the 1814 marriage I have it as a huge question mark.
>
> Cheers
> Cheri
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of
> Tessa
> King
> Sent: Friday, 25 November 2011 5:13 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] GODFREY 1820 Robert..a bit of background and SMITH.
>
> Hi Cheri
>
> Just checking....are you saying the signatures on both marriage
> certificates
> are the same or you have his signature on the marriage certificate to Mary
> BENSON which coincides with a signature on another document. As SMITH is
> such a common name it is quite possible that he wasn't married to Mary
> SWINDELLS and that this is another George SMITH. As you have proof of
> their
> marriage (I couldn't find a certificate on ancestry.co.uk just the entry)
> I
> will update my tree. It does look like their first born child died before
> they came to South Africa, or it was left off the final list, but more
> likely it died between Sept 1819 and Jan 1820 when the ship sailed for SA.
>
> The entry for Caroline in the Anglican Register states 1802 so it is not a
> transcript error but an error made by Rev William GEARY. As you say it is
> incorrect and 1822 is the correct year of birth.
>
> There is a tree on Ancestry which has some of the info correct including
> George's death date in 1837 but then attaches an 1851 UK Census for a
> George
>
> Smith born Lancashire and has taken the children from this list and added
> them to George and Mary. I was going to leave a comment that this cannot
> be
> correct but will do it next time I am on Ancestry.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Take care
> Tessa
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cheri Marshall
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 10:13 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] GODFREY 1820 Robert..a bit of background and SMITH.
>
> Hi Tessa,
> I had picked this up .. the marriage to SWINDELLS...problem is I don't
> know
> if it is correct. A George SMITH married a mary SWINDELL.
>
> Marriage: 9 Jan 1814 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
> George Smith - (X), Private in Forfar Militia Batchelor of this Parish and
> Town of Manchester
> Mary Swindells - (X), Spinster of this Parish and Town of Manchester
> Witness: I Chantler; Benj'n Ball
> Married by Banns by: C.D. Wray
> Register: Marriages 1814, Page 27, Entry 80
> Source: LDS Film 1545577
>
> I do have evidence that My great grandfather( a few gens removed) married
> Mary BENSON 19 Mar 1818( I have the marriage record and Sue helped me
> check
> the signatures so it was him) so if this other marriage is correct then
> Mary
> SWINDELL must have died before that. I can find nothing to prove this. His
> attestation papers have him fighting in 1815.
> Caroline was born 1822(the 1802 is an error).(see previous email
> ...transcript error lists is as 1802). She is the daughter or Mary BENSON
> and George SMITH
> Going back he a lists his family with one child born circa 1818."George
> SMITH, Wife and one Child, 10 months".
> See Settler letter transcribed by Peter Kirkman from CO48/45 at the
> National Archives in Kew, sourced by Sue MCKAY.
>
> Whether he actually landed with the child I don't know. I cand find the
> death and neither can I find the child...I could be missing yet another
> SMITH.
> That could be fun!
>
> The children are correct as you have them. Two short..I have I will post
> the
> full details in the next email as I know there are a few people doing the
> SMITHs. My cousin Neville NICOLAU did the bulk of the work on the tree pre
> 1991 and then Nolene LASSAU filled the holes. It has been posted before
> and
> is also on efamily website.
>
> Yes...SMITH's are a difficult lot.. There are a heap of us trying to piece
> the SMITHS lot.
> Minnie GODFREY(D.o caroline SMITH and Robert GODFREY) marries into the
> "other" SMITH family so you have Settler George SMITH's granddaughter
> marrying into the family of Henry James SMITH.
> This will help..This is from Marielle FORD: (see archives list)
>
> Henry James
> Baptised: 03 Mar 1850
> Born: 09 Mar 1849
> Parents: John Francis and Elizabeth SMITH( Cheri notes grandfather: John
> Baird SMITH lot)
> Occupation: Not recorded
> Residence: Oliphants Hoek
> Witnesses: James THOMPSON, James CANNON, Elizabeth THOMPSON
> Baptised by: Thomas HINCHMAN
> Source: Sidbury - St Peter (Anglican), Sidbury, Eastern Cape. baptisms
> register, 1849-1989, entry number 013. Repository: Cory Library, MS 17
> 592.
> Transcribed by Marielle Ford, independently, from her own photographs of
> the
> photocopied registers in the Cory Library
>
> Peter DERRIMAN...this is your area of expertise...can you add here? I have
> you as source and Carol...you guys are the Experts here on the WILD SMITH
> CANNON connections?( ie the line of John Francis SMITH)
>
> Hope that helps
> Cheri
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Tessa
> King
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2011 7:17 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] GODFREY 1820 Robert..a bit of background and SMI two
> TH.
>
> Hi Cheri
>
> I have the baptism for Robert Ulyate GODFREY. Will send it to you off the
> list. Thank you for the birth of Charles Joseph - missed it somehow.
>
> I am a little confused now with Caroline Amelia Elizabeth SMITH. I have
> (and
>
> you may correct it please):
>
> George SMITH b. 1784 Manchester d. 2 Oct 1837 George Vale Location nr
> Bathurst married to Mary SWINDELL b. 1792 England d. ?? This info
> apparently
>
> comes from the DN of George which is quoted in the Familia article. They
> married on 9 Jan 1814 in Manchester Cathedral. The children are:
>
> 1. William George Augustus Fitzroy b. 27 June 1820 George Vale Location
> bapt
>
> 13 Apr 1823 Entry 1 at St. George's.
> 2. Caroline Amelia Elizabeth b. 28 Dec 1822 George Vale Location bapt 13
> Apr
>
> 1823 Entry 2 ditto.
> 3. John Belletazad Crawford b. 31 Aug 1825 bapt 25 Mar 1826 Entry 407
> ditto
> (father is head of a party of Settlers nr Port Frances)
> 4. Cyrus de Wilton
> 5. Charles Joseph Eddelstone
>
> The children are apparently all mention on their father's DN. I don't have
> a
>
> copy so can't check it out. I am not sure why I have his DN as the
> reference
>
> if I don't have a copy! (KAB MOOC 6/9/84 Ref 5564). In both the baptism
> entries I have checked the photo and the place of residence is George Vale
> and George SMITH is quoted as a Settler. I have just seen that Caroline's
> birth date is given as 1802 and not 1820 but is obviously an error (her
> full
>
> name is given).
>
> Who are the parents of your Caroline? George and Mary BENSON? Are the
> siblings mentioned above part of this family or is it perhaps an error on
> the DN? The Familia article mentions that Maria Susanna (Minnie) GODFREY,
> dau of Robert and Caroline Amelia Elizabeth SMITH marries Henry James
> SMITH.
>
> Sorry if I am being a bit blonde!!
>
> Take care
> Tessa
>
>
>
> Hi Tessa,
> The corrections and your willingness to share are appreciated. Many
> thanks.
> 1)Do you have proof that Robert Ulyate GODFREY is the son? Is it mentioned
> on the Estate as this was a "side" tree and I have a question mark against
> his name.
>
> 2)I definitely agree with the one date being incorrectly transcribed as
> she
> was baptised in 1819...why would her parents have waited so long when
> other
> children were born in between. I have changed her birth date to 5 June
> 1818(
> I will see if I can get in to the actual image)
>
> 3) here is baptism for Charles Joseph:
>
> urname GODFREY
> First_Names Charles Joseph GODFREY
> Parents Henry and Jane
> Birth_Date 1854/11/5
> Baptised_Date 1854/12/10
> Birthplace_Residence
> Comments
> Place_Baptised
> Entry Methodist Parish Records
> Item_No 17
> Film 1560855
> Church Kingwilliamstown Christenings: 1848-1865
> Remarks_Transcriber Ellen Stanton
>
> 4) Thanks for the extra children for Henry Thomas and Jane...I did wonder
> what happened as on my tree there was a gap with no children from 1843 to
> the birth of Robert Ulyate in 1850...I will amend this side.
>
> 5) Re the SMITHs...they have been a nightmare..there are TWO Caroline
> Amelia"s SMITHs....my side is Caroline Amelia Elizabeth : not the daughter
> of Mary SWINDELL at all...Mary BENSON(she later calls her son Henry
> Benson).
> The other one comes from the BAIRD side and is Caroline Amelia( I think?)
> Here is her baptism:(from Coups)
> Caroline Amelia Elizabeth
> Baptised: 1823, April 13
> Born: Dec 28 1822
> Parents: George and Mary Smith
> Occupation: Settler
> Residence: George Vale near Bathurst
> Baptised by: Wm Geary
> Additional notes: Sunday
> Source: Grahamstown - St George (Anglican), Grahamstown, Eastern Cape.
> baptisms register, 1823-1826, page 1, entry number 2. Repository: Cory
> Library, MS 14 877-1. Transcribed by Lynn Couperthwaite as part of the
> eGGSA
> Project, from photographs by William J
> Ow
> 6) Yes "EDDLESTONE" is part of the SMITH/GODFREY Line...not sure where it
> came from but it has been in the naming patterns since 1820. I would
> appreciated any info you have on Charles Eddlestone GODFREY(I will contact
> you offlist re the DN) > as my GODFREY tree really only links Minnie to
> her
> family it is very small. At this stage it makes sense that he might be a
> son
> of Robert and caroline but I have no proof. Thank you will check.
>
> 7) re Minnie GODFREY( maria Susanah) there is a problem as the source of
> her
> birth date and that of her sister. I have several sources and we all have
> the same date 17 Aug 1848 but her sister Martha has DOB 12 Nov 1848 and
> bapstism 10 Dec 1848 source the Anglican transcripts from Cory :
> Grahamstown
> Anglican - St Georges Register. Baptisms 4/7/1826 - 31/12/1848. (CORY MS
> 14
> 878/1). Two months between the birth...has to be a mistake. I think she
> has
> a DN ..She died at age 92 according to Nolenes info(Nolene did you have a
> DN
> to check)I will see if I can proof. Because of this Tessa, no I am not
> sure
> at all...but all the naming patterns fit with Minnies family...Alma Adele
> has been in the Smith family for yonks. I think she is definitely the
> daughter but her DOB is wrong...
>
> Thank you for your input as usual! Hope the above helps.
> Cheri
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Tessa
> King
> Sent: Monday, 21 November 2011 3:30 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA-EC] GODFREY 1820 Robert..a bit of background and SMITH.
>
> Hi Godfrey researchers,
>
> Robert Ulyate GODFREY b. 30 May 1850 Grahamstown. There is no Death Notice
> for him, just an Insolvent Estate Liquidation Account in the Cape Archives
> dated 1904. He married Louisa Millicent GRAVETT on 3 Nov 1879 at Port
> Alfred
>
> and at this stage I only have a daughter named Derenda Rosella GODFREY b.
> 31
>
> Dec 1887 at Bathurst. Were there more children? Must be if Maureen is from
> this line. He is the son of Henry Thomas GODFREY and Jane ULYATE and was
> born 30 May 1850 in Grahamstown and baptised on 30 Jul 1850 at the
> Commemoration Chapel.
>
> Robert GODFREY and Martha PAGE had 6 children:
> Henry Thomas b. 23 July 1814 at Southwark
> Martha b. 2 Mar 1816 bur 2 Dec 1817 at Southwark
> Martha b. 1818 d. 18 Feb 1820 en route to SA. ***
> Robert b. 8 Mar 1820 en route to SA.
> Thomas b. 18 May 1822
> Harriet b. Apr 1824 Grahamstown.
>
> *** The birth date of 5 June 1813, as given on the FamilySearch website,
> cannot be correct. Martha (2nd) was a year old when her father made his
> application. I think this is a transcript error and the year could be 1818
> and not 1813. Not sure how we check this part as we would need to see the
> actual register page and those aren't online. Another scenario was that
> she
> was actually only a month old but this would also mean an error on the
> Weymouth muster.
>
> I have 9 children for Henry Thomas GODFREY and Jane ULYATE:
>
> Maria b. 21 Apr 1837 Grahamstown d. 1 May 1910 married to Henry Thomas
> LLOYD.
> Sarah Jane b. 21 Aug 1838 Albany
> Martha Elizabeth b. 31 Mar 1840 Grahamstown d. 16 Apr 1921 mar John Henry
> FINAUGHTY.
> William Robert b. 2 Nov 1841 Grahamstown. There is a DN filed in 1937 for
> a
> person of this name.
> Henry b. 10 Feb 1843 Grahamstown.
> Lucy b. 29 Oct 1844 Grahamstown mar Thomas WATERS.
> Jane b. 21 Feb 1846 and must have died before her sister was born.
> Jane b. 29 Aug 1847 Grahamstown.
> Robert Ulyate b. 30 May 1850 Grahamstown d. abt 1904.
>
> I don't have Charles Joseph b. 5 Nov 1854. I couldn't find a baptism for
> him.
>
> I also have a Tom GODFREY who married Harriet LISHER. She would have been
> born abt 1845 or a little earlier.
>
> Thanks to you your comment regarding the SMITH families, helped me link
> Robert GODFREY and Caroline Amelia Elizabeth SMITH as I had them in the
> tree
>
> but not linked. Caroline is the daughter of George SMITH and Mary
> SWINDELL.
>
> I found a DN on NAAIRS for a Robert Eddleston GODFREY filed 1920. Was this
> perhaps a son of Robert and Caroline? The EDDLESTON name is part of the
> SMITH line. Caroline had a brother named Charles Joseph Eddelston SMITH. I
> suspect that the Charles Joseph GODFREY listed as a son of Henry and Lucy
> is
>
> perhaps the son of Robert and Caroline as the birth year does fit the time
> line and her brother went by those names. Anyone able to clarify the
> details?
>
> I too have a query with the two daughters of Robert and Caroline. Are you
> sure that Maria Susanna b. 17 Aug 1848 is their daughter? I know she is
> part
>
> of the SMITH family tree, so I guess she must be. Strange that there are
> baptisms for the other four children, but not for her and it is claimed
> that
>
> she was born in Alexandria. My details come from a Familia article [Vol
> XVI
> 1979 Issue 2 Page 52 - The Family of John Baird Smith of Alexandria by K E
> Ducat]. Elizabeth's baptism doesn't give her date of birth. The date of 12
> Nov 1848 is from an MI and these in many instances have been incorrectly
> transcribed as it is very difficult to read the headstones sometimes. I
> remember Deborah Laing telling us long ago that Faith Hobbs, her
> granddaughter, had said that Elizabeth was definitely born on 12 Nov 1848.
> So we need to try and find the baptism for Maria. Perhaps she has been
> attached to the wrong GODFREY. Nolene might be able to help as I know she
> did a lot of research on the SMITH family.
>
> Well that's what I have and not sure it helps at all.
>
> Take care
> Tessa
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cheri Marshall
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 7:18 AM
> To: ;
> Subject: [ZA-EC] GODFREY 1820 Robert..a bit of background and SMITH.
>
> Hi Rod and Maureen,
>
> Maureen your line is the GRAVETT and WATERS link to the GODFREY line..(ie
> the 6th child of Henry and Jane Godfrey? If this is correct.
> Through Robert Ulyate GODFREY who married Millie GRAVETT. The problem is
> that I don't have proof that Robert Ulyate GODFREY is actually the son as
> I
> don't have any proof except and entry from IGI which may not be correct.
> Here is a summary of the line made from our archive lists and actual
> records.
> I hope I have not messed anything up.
>
> My Godfrey tree is not complete but here is what I have which affects my
> side..My great aunt a few gens removed was Minnie GODFREY(see details
> below).
> (Ie the Robert Godfrey line).
> The problem is in that there is a second Thomas GODFREY who appears in
> 1828
> asking for permission to stay in the Colony and he could not be the son of
> Robert as the Thomas born to Robert would only have been six years old in
> 1828. And then a second name Thomas which is this GODFREY line.
> So There are TWO Thomas GODFREY's running around so here is what I have
> managed to piece together from various actual records.( and then a John
> GODFREY who arrives before 1835) (please if anyone picks up an error let
> me
> know as the family has driven me nuts!)
>
> Robert Godfrey married Martha PAGE 27 Sep 1813,Saint Luke Old
> Street,Finsbury,London,England. I have not been able to find the original
> birthdates as on the marriage cert no ages nor parents are listed.( see
> familysearch website )
> They had four children:Martha/Henry/Thomas and Robert. Three are duly
> listed
> by NASH as arriving in 1820.
>
> In England they had two children:(Martha and Henry)(see LDS website)
> Name: Martha Godfrey( she died in Feb 1820 so no issue)
> Gender: Female
> Baptism/Christening Date: 04 Jul 1819
> Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT SAVIOUR,SOUTHWARK,SURREY,ENGLAND
> Birth Date: 05 Jun 1813
> Birthplace:
> Death Date:
> Race:
> Father's Name: Robert Godfrey
> Father's Birthplace:
> Father's Age:
> Mother's Name: Martha
> Mother's Birthplace:
> Mother's Age:
> Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05518-2
> System Origin: England-ODM
> Source Film Number: 307709
>
> Name: Henry GODFREY( he married ULYATE see details below)
> Gender: Male
> Baptism/Christening Date: 12 Feb 1815
> Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT SAVIOUR,SOUTHWARK,SURREY,ENGLAND
> Birth Date: 23 Jul 1814
> Father's Name: Robert Godfrey
> Father's Birthplace:
> Father's Age:
> Mother's Name: Martha
> Mother's Birthplace:
> Mother's Age:
> Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05518-2
> System Origin: England-ODM
> Source Film Number: 307709
> Reference Number:
>
> After 1820 they had two sons Robert*8 mar 1820 and Thomas * 18 May 1822(
> see full details website)
> Source:
> http://e-family.co.za/
>
>
> Henry * 1815 above has (second name Thomas )(so gets a bit muddled)
> married
> Jane ULYATE on December 25, 1834 at Grahamstown Church (St George's -
> Anglican), Grahamstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa by Rev John Heavyside.
> Witnesses: Eliza Rayner, Henry Ulyate
> Henry and Jane had the following children:(Source above website)(seven
> children)
>
> GODFREY Martha Elizabeth Henry and Jane 1840/3/31
> GODFREY Charles Joseph GODFREY Henry and Jane
> 1854/11/5
> GODFREY Sarah Jane Henry and Jane 1838/8/21
> And three more form the Cory registers:(as listed on Hugo Slater)
> William Robert GODFREY *2 Nov 1841
> Henry GODFREY *10 feb 1843
> Maria GODFREY *21 Apr 1837( cheris notes I think she married Henry Thomas
> LLOYD)
> Paule tanner Tremaine lists Robert Ulyate GODFREY born 30 may 1850 as the
> sixth child. I don't have anything to prove this so I hope it is correct
> as
> I don't have the DNs .(since 2008 has anyone more proof on this man?)
> I have no more on this line.
>
> His brother Robert married "my " SMITH side: Caroline Amelia Elizabeth
> SMITH
> . They had three children that I know of.
> 1 Minnie(Maria S) 2 Henry Benson * 15 oct 1852 and 3 Elizabeth Martha born
> 12 Nov 1848 who married HOBBS.
> There is a mistake here as the eldest daughter Minnie was born also
> 1848(in
> aug) so somewhere there is a transcription error..(has anyone a correction
> here)
>
> Maria Susanah(Minnie) GODFREY *17 Aug 1848 came from the SMITH side(George
> SMITH 1820). This info came from Nolene Lossau in 2008 (see list archives)
> list: She then married into the other SMITH family which made sorting out
> all the SMITHs quite interesting to say the least!
>> From Nolene:
> Descendants of Henry James Smith
> 1 Henry James SMITH
> Born: 09 Mar 1849 in Olifants Hoek,
> Alexandria, Cape, South AfricaBaptism: 03 Mar 1850 in Anglican Church,
> Sidbury, Cape, South AfricaDied: 31 Oct 1932 in Alexandria, Cape, South
> AfricaAge at death: 83Fact 1: Godparents: James & Elizabeth
> THOMPSON, James CANNON..+Maria Susannah GODFREY Born: 17 Aug
> 1848 in Alexandria, Cape, South Africa
> Married: 28 Jan 1874 in Kingwilliamstown, Cape, South Africa
> Father: Robert GODFREY
> Mother: Caroline Amelia Elizabeth SMITH
> Died: 29 May 1941 in Southwell, Cape, South Africa Age at death: 92
> Burial: in Alexandria, Cape, South Africa
>
> The brother Thomas GODFREY, who was born in 1822 and the youngest son of
> Robert and Martha .. I think this is him? It may not be as there were Two
> Thomas GODFREY's in the Cape by 1861.perhaps who has this line can correct
> me?
>
> His_Surname WATERS
> Her_Surname GODFREY
> Marriage_date 1861/7/8
> Husband Thomas
> His_info Farmer, Bathurst
> His_birth_place
> His_Age 55
> Wife Lucy
> Her_info Bathurst
> Her_birth_place
> Her_Age 16
> Witnesses Witnesses: Jane WATERS, Charles WATERS, S. N. DELL
> Entry 92
> No 13
> Film 1560854
> Church Methodist Parish Records
> Location Bathurst Marriages: 1854-1864
> Minister
> Notes
> Transcribed_By Ellen Stanton
>
> Hope that helps.
> Cheers
> Cheri
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