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From: "Cliff Jones" <>
Subject: Re: [ZA-IB] Methodist Parish Records: Port Elizabeth #9 (ROGERS -FROST)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:45:10 +1300


Thank you Rosemarie for raising this entry, I have been puzzling about a
Rachel ROGERS believed born prior to 1810 (before arrival 1820 settlers) and
who married (in Uitenhage, Cape) abt 1833 a Philip Barns FROST born 21
February 1808 Holt, Norfolk, England. Philip Barns FROST immigrated with
parents with the Damant's Party, on the ship Ocean.
The puzzle is that the only ROGERS family (I can find) with the 1820
settlers came with the James' party on the ship Weighmouth. There was only
two children with this family, a Rebecca aged 4 and an Emma aged 1 (who died
at sea). Rebecca seems a little too young, as she would have been 17 and
husband 25 in 1833? Mind you, could be my rather strict (or biased)
upbringing at work in thinking this? Is Rachel and Rebecca understandably
swappable equivalent names?
Having thought out aloud so far, may as well run some more past you.
From LDS Family search the following link between ROGERS, FROST, KEMSLEY.
Susananna (Susan) Elizabeth FROST b. 3 December 1858, Port
Elizabeth, Cape married 17 February 1876 Port Elizabeth, William Crawford
KEMSLEY. The link however to ROGERS not too direct however as Rachel ROGERS'
husband Philip Barns FROST is Susananna (Susan) Elizabeth FROST's father,
Joseph Wesley FROST's, older brother
As usual, behind this sidetrack of my searching, lies my HARDING
interests. William HARDING, a son of James HARDING and Elizabeth DODGESON,
married Elizabeth Clara FROST abt 1868 in Port Elizabeth, and I wished to
find either (a) how she connects with above 1820 FROST family, or (b) when
and how her family arrived in the Cape. So far I have found no proof she
connects with the above FROST family mainly of Port Elizabeth, where in fact
William HARDING was born about 1854 being the first of three sons born in
South Africa after 1849 to 1851 being the time frame for arrival from
Newcastle Upon Tyne, England. Somewhere, somehow, that is the time when some
mysterious ship arrived carrying who knows which families, another FROST
family, another ROGERS family?

Kind Regards
Cliff Jones
To: Ellen Stanton
Email:

Subject: Methodist Parish Records: Port Elizabeth #9

> Entry #546
> Child: Vivian Illegible Maud KEMSLEY
> Parents: John Chambers and Rachel Rogers
> Born: 10/3/1879
> Baptized: 11/13/1879

Vivienne Inez KEMSLEY, b. Oct 3, 1879, d. Jul 12 1952, daughter of John
Chambers & Rachel Rogers KEMSLEY, was my father's eldest sister. I didn't
know she had a third name, Maud.
There's always something new to be learned!
She married John Francis MASTERSON, b Dec. 26 1876, d. 16 May 1950. No
children born to this couple. They were buried at Forest Hill Cemetry.

Thank you once again for all the work you have done
Rosemarie


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