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From: Hart Rob * Group <>
Subject: RE: [ZA-IB] RE: Heather there is a problem with all your emial addresses
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:11:45 +0200


Hi Heather I am just going to insert my email on here it seams there is a
problem on our addresses

Hi Heather
I got the Death notice of the son (Thomas Hart) and it stated that His
mother was Catherine Hart and father was Stephen Hart.The Johanna Hart
stated below was unmarried and died young according to her death notice her
parents were unknown.

Also I have know that Thomas was born +_ 1848 and so that year of Marriage
1847 at St Pauls in Rondebosch sound like it is the right year.

By the way Thomas died in 1930 and his wife Fanny Owen Hart nee Clark died
in 1924

So it looks to me that Stephen And Catherine must have died anywhere from
1890 to 1910 but on the cape Archives there is nothing.

So my question is there other material available(family trees) on the other
Hart streams?

What I want to know is,is there other people in the Cape Town area doing
Hart Genealogy Research?

Why I am asking is that there seams to be a link somewhere and so I am
wondering if I should just draw any Hart Death notice and then start to
piece together what I can even if they unrelated. For Example there was a
William George Hart who died in Kimberly also at age 22 and his father was
also Stephen and also unmarried. But on the family tree this individual does
not even exit. I get a sense that I am dealing with Urban Legends and
stories that have nothing to do with the truth.

The Lds Church here in Johburg has 35 film of death notices of the Cape up
until 1950.
So I have a research centre on my door step. And they have quite a
comprehensive records.

I already have 4 copies of the original death notice

I also have the names of Stephen and Catherine's Children
Stephen, Thomas James and Andrew

Any suggestions on what to do next will be of great help.

And thank you for you December 2002 news letter
Looking forward to the next letter
Regards
Rob hart

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Sent: 14 March 2003 01:49
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Hi Heather
I am using this email to speak to you because non of your emails are working
from this end I get a undelivered note. So I hope you do not mind I am
inerting my mail to you
Thanks
Rob Hart

-----Original Message-----
From: yvonne siggery [mailto:]
Sent: 14 March 2003 02:06
To:
Subject: [ZA-IB] HEATHER-Camera


Hello Heather,

Thank you for Anegela's DN and will which Derek forwarded to me.

The photos were easily downloaded on Acrobat and made good prints.

I am interested in buying a camera which gives similar results to yours.
Please let me know which camera to buy.

Warm Regards

Yvonne





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From: Hart Rob * Group <>
To: 'Heather MacAlister' <>
Subject: RE: Hart genealogy
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:28:27 +0200
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Hi Heather
I got the Death notice of the son (Thomas Hart) and it stated that His
mother was Catherine Hart and father was Stephen Hart.The Johanna Hart
stated below was unmarried and died young according to her death notice her
parents were unknown.

Also I have know that Thomas was born +_ 1848 and so that year of Marriage
1847 at St Pauls in Rondebosch sound like it is the right year.

By the way Thomas died in 1930 and his wife Fanny Owen Hart nee Clark died
in 1924

So it looks to me that Stephen And Catherine must have died anywhere from
1890 to 1910 but on the cape Archives there is nothing.

So my question is there other material available(family trees) on the other
Hart streams?

What I want to know is,is there other people in the Cape Town area doing
Hart Genealogy Research?

Why I am asking is that there seams to be a link somewhere and so I am
wondering if I should just draw any Hart Death notice and then start to
piece together what I can even if they unrelated. For Example there was a
William George Hart who died in Kimberly also at age 22 and his father was
also Stephen and also unmarried. But on the family tree this individual does
not even exit. I get a sense that I am dealing with Urban Legends and
stories that have nothing to do with the truth.

The Lds Church here in Johburg has 35 film of death notices of the Cape up
until 1950.
So I have a research centre on my door step. And they have quite a
comprehensive records.

I already have 4 copies of the original death notice

I also have the names of Stephen and Catherine's Children
Stephen, Thomas James and Andrew

Any suggestions on what to do next will be of great help.

And thank you for you December 2002 news letter
Looking forward to the next letter
Regards
Rob hart
-----Original Message-----
From: Heather MacAlister [mailto:]
Sent: 08 February 2003 07:51
To: Hart Rob * Group
Subject: Re: Hart genealogy


Hello Rob

Thank you for your email

I have found one Johanna Hart who has a death notice in the Cape Archives
DEPOT KAB
SOURCE MOOC
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 6/9/302
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 666
PART 1
DESCRIPTION HART, JOHANNA. DEATH NOTICE.
STARTING 18920000
ENDING 18920000

and then I found a burial at St. Johns in Wynberg for

DEPOT Genealogical Society of SA, Peter Holden
DESCRIPTION Hart, J - Gravestone.
STARTING 0000
ENDING 19150709
REMARKS St. John's Cemetery, Wynberg, Cape Town.
SUMMARY + Johanna Hart. Died 09-07-1915. Aged 89 years.

and also


DEPOT Genealogical Society of SA, Peter Holden
DESCRIPTION Hart, E - Gravestone.
STARTING 18250618
ENDING 18870614
REMARKS St. John's Cemetery, Wynberg, Cape Town.
SUMMARY + Edwin Hart of Sussex. Born 18-06-1825. Died 14-06-1887.

Are you sure that Johanna is not the wife Edwin instead of Stephen ? as
there is no Stephen buried in this graveyard ?
I hope this has been of some help to you . Do you have another spelling for
Von Barchveldt as I have some information on Barchfeld without the Von ?

kind regards

Heather

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From: "Hart Rob * Group" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:54 PM
Subject: Hart genealogy


Hi Heather

As you requested by telephone on Friday 7 Feb 2003 hear is the detail: (
>From Memory)

Two Brothers came from England 1840 plus from Sussex Newwark.
Names Stephen and Edward Hart

Stephen married Johanna Nee Von Barchfeldt (Daughter of Baron Von
Barchfeldt)
in about 1847 St Paul's Church Rondebosch they had 6 children
Names Thomas , James, Stephen, Peter, Harry, Joseph

There son Thomas married Fanny Owen nee Clark (her mothers maiden name was
Minnaar)
at St Saviours in Claremont they 14 children two were infant deaths
Names Richard, George, Edward, Johathon, David, Walter, Charles Alfred,
Joseph Thomas, Adelaide, Ada, Ruby, Sidney John,


There son Charles Alfred Hart Married May Florence Nee Beeming ( my great
grand Parents)
Had 6 children
Names George Rueben Charles, Ernie, Rulph, Charles, May Florence, (One name
I am not sure of)

There eldest son George Reuben Charles Married Martha Johanna Nee Vorster
(My Grand Parents)
they had two children
Names Jean Florence, Neville George

My Father Neville George Married Margretha Maria Nee Opperman
Had 3 children
Names Robert Neville (this is me) , Lorraine and Dawn


My father and Mother are still alive as well as my fathers sister.
My Grand father died in 1988 and My grandmother died in 1990


As I told you on the phone I am interested for now in filling in the gapes
of the first two Hart Brothers and then working down the generational line.
I have my Grand parents Birth Marriage and Death Certificates.

I am willing to share this information with your society if it will help
others in the future.

Futher My Great Great Grand Parents lived in Rondebosch and Newlands.

My Grand father later moved when My father was quite young to Fish Hoek. My
aunty presently lives in Sun Valley Fish Hoek where my grand parents stayed
until their deaths in 1988 and 1990

I will fax you my membership form plus deposit slip as soon as I had
deposited the money into your bank account.

Thank you in anticipation

Rob Hart
Work Tel 011 308 1221
Home Tel 012 6673059
Cell 082 679 6675
Ps My parents presently live in Centurion about 2 km away from where I stay,




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