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From: "sharon marshall" <>
Subject: Re: [ZA-IB] Explanation of the term "Kaffir / Kaffer"
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:25:07 +0200
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I also have never heard of Bantu wars, and most books these days refer to
them as Frontier Wars, or by the specific names eg War of the Axe.
In a similar vein, the Anglo-Boer war is also now referred to as the South
African War because it was not only about the British and the Boers,
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Hall" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [ZA-IB] Explanation of the term "Kaffir / Kaffer"


> Hi,
> I wish to weigh into this dicussion as well. When I was at school they had
> just changed them from the Kaffir Wars to the Frontier Wars (that is
dating
> myself). I actually never heard of anyone using the Bantu Wars.
>
> Regards
> Andy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bernie Cramer" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [ZA-IB] Explanation of the term "Kaffir / Kaffer"
>
>
> > Hello Terry,
> >
> > To be politically correct, I would call them "Bantu Wars of 1838
> > etc.", "BANTU" being a word that the Africans use to describe
> > themselves as a nation, we unfortunately cannot change the wording in
> > books and manuscripts written 100+ years ago.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bernie.
> >
> > Bernard L Cramer,
> > [Family History Researcher]
> > POBox,100805,
> > Scottsville, 3209,
> > Pietermaritzburg,
> > KZN, South Africa.
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> > Email,
> > Email,
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Terry Waters-Marsh" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 12:21 AM
> > Subject: RE: [ZA-IB] Explanation of the term "Kaffir / Kaffer"
> >
> >
> > > G'day all,
> > >
> > > Apologies if I have missed some of the discussion here - my ISP is
> > playing up something terrible and I am being unsubscribed virtually
> > daily - argh!
> > >
> > > As a non-resident but someone very interested in South Africa as it
> > is where much of my heritage stems from, I follow these debates over
> > certain descriptive words very carefully. My question, therefore, is
> > motivated by wanting to avoid incorrect and/or offensive terms or
> > words that may have been used in the past but should now not be used.
> > My question is, what do we now call what was previously called the
> > Kaffir Wars? Please accept my apology if asking the question causes
> > any offence, it is not intended to do so.
> > >
> > > (and hopefully my ISP will say online long enough for me to get a
> > reply before I get unsubscribed again!!)
> > >
> > > Warmest regards,
> > >
> > > Terry Waters-Marsh Rockhampton Queensland 4701 Australia
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> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Marielle Ford [mailto:]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:44 PM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: [ZA-IB] Explanation of the term "Kaffir / Kaffer"
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List
> > >
> > > I am a little concerned that some of you may have misinterpreted, as
> > Sarah did, my motive in offering an explanation of the term "Kaffer",
> > in response to what I assumed was a question w.r.t. the origin of the
> > word. Please note that I was absolutely not pontificating or
> > politicking - I gave the Oxford dictionary version, esp. for those
> > non-S African's who may have been wondering what it meant, and added a
> > small recollection of my own.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > > Marielle Ford
> > >
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