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From: "Tessa King" <>
Subject: Re: [ZA-IB] KING conundrum
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:36:12 +0200
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Hi Russell and Nolene

A huge thank you to you Nolene for these transcripts. At long last I have
found part of my husband's KING line. I had birth day and month but no year
for the two that you transcribed, so thank you very much.

Russell I did see a KING tree where they had listed Charlotte Elizabeth as
the daughter of John Henry and Jessie Munro PRINGLE, but the moment I saw
her husband I knew there was a mistake. This John is the son of Francis KING
and Sarah Kidger TUCKER.

The parents of Charlotte Elizabeth and Maria Ann are indeed John Henry KING
born 2 Oct 1854 at Hunterbury, Fort Beaufort and Eliza Louisa Hannah
BIRKEMEYER. John is the eldest son of Benjamin KING born 15 Dec 1828 in
Grahamstown and Maria Ann HAMMOND. But this is where I hit the brick wall
with a resounding thump!!

Benjamin is the son of an 1820 Settler according to my father-in-law who
hand drew a tree in 1937 and continued to add to it until he gave it to me
some years back. But I haven't been able to find any records for his birth
or baptism. He married Maria Ann HAMMOND in April 1851 according to both my
father-in-law and a descendant of John Henry. But again, there are no
records. All I know is that her father was Irish and in the army and died
supposedly from falling off a horse when she was very young and married at
the age of abt 16. What I did find out when visiting Cory two years ago was
that there was an unknown Hammond who drowned and was found on the banks of
the river. A Maria Ann FAIRCLOTH married a Benjamin KING on 3 Aug 1852 at
St. George's Anglican Church, Grahamstown. My thoughts were that if her
parents died when she was very young she would have to have been brought up
by someone and that someone could quite possibly have been the Faircloth
Family. But again, I lack any kind of proof. So, can anyone can help solve
the mystery??

Benjamin and Maria had 11 children, the eldest of whom was John Henry. The
6th son was Andrew Clark KING from whom my husband is descended.

I must just add a little story here. When at Cory in April 2001 I was of
course looking for Benjamin KING and the staff were trying to assist me in
my search. I then left and went to Cape Town to visit the Archives. On my
way back to Johannesburg I again stopped at Cory for a few days. I was told
that the day after I left a lady from Johannesburg had arrived and was
looking for the same Benjamin King and that she lived just up the road from
me. I was given her details and when I got home I contacted her. She is a
second cousin of my husband descended from John Henry and she had stopped at
Cory on her way back from Cape Town where she too had visited the Archives!
We do indeed live 2 km apart. Talk about synchronicity - seems it's a small
world!

By a process of elimination I have ruled out quite a few of the 9 KING
Settlers...thought at one stage he could be the son of Phillip KING whose
first wife died in 1828! His third wife was Elizabeth CLARK...could this be
where Andrew got his second name?? But Phillip's DN doesn't list a Benjamin
although in subsequent generations there are children named Benjamin!

John Henry KING the 1820 Settler born 1796 married to Eleanor also had a son
named John Henry born 1817 and a daughter named Sarah born 1818. So far I
haven't been able to trace any children for this 1820 Settler couple after
their arrival in SA. He's the next logical choice. I have a DN for the son
John Henry and his wife was one Passion Moquka Majibana and they had 9
children, but that's where the trail ends. I also don't think these were her
children but possibly the children of another mother....but again I need
proof. Heaven only knows where they all went because they don't seem to have
left a trail.

Here's hoping someone can offer some help.

Kind regards
Tessa


----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell and Olivia" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:39 AM
Subject: [ZA-IB] KING conundrum


> Dear Listers
>
> I have John Henry KING m. 1878 to Jessie Munro PRINGLE and producing 11
> children, amongst them Charlotte Elizabeth KING b. 1882. However, thanks
to
> Nolene's transcriptions, I note that Charlotte Elizabeth's mother is
> actually Eliza Louisa Hannah.
>
> Does anyone have any further information; these are TUCKER descendants so
> here's hoping!
>
> Regards
>
> Russell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nolene Lossau" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:14 PM
> Subject: [ZA-IB] SOME DORDRECHT WESLEYAN METHODIST CAPE BAPTISMS 1883 &
1884
>
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I found a few more pages of the registers for DORTRECHT but please bear
in
> > mind that these are not all of the entries for 1883 and 1884. I have
only
> > extracted those names that I know that people are interested in at this
> > stage. I will get the complete years up to date some time in the future.
> >
> >
> > The information come from Items 14-29 Microfilm# 1560877
> >
> > The information is in the following order:
> > Ref (in line with baptism records - "missing numbers have not been
> > transcribed - they are either blank or for adult baptisms with just a
> first
> > name - you will be able to see how much is "missing" from the numbers)
> > Surname First Names
> > Parents
> > Birth date (y/m/d)
> > Baptised date (y/m/d)
> >
> > 267 BAGG Mary Ann Petronella Margaret
> > Robert William and Joanna Helena Aletta of Wel-boois Kraal, Willow Park
> > 1883/02/23 1883/04/01
> >
> > 268 COCKEROFT Frances Hermena Purdon
> > Mark Baillie and Elizabeth Ann of Ding Fontein, Dordrecht 1883/01/14
> > 1883/04/08
> >
> > 269 SCHWARTZ Caroline Augusta Willemena
> > Henry and Willemena of Birds River, Willow Park 1882/12/04 1883/03/15
> >
> > 270 PHILLIPS Arthur Williams
> > Arthur and Hillana? Of Birds River Poort, Willow Park 1883/0/3/24
> 1883/05/13
> >
> > 271 DICKS Henry Christian Christoffel
> > James Henry and Magdalina Sophia of Lemon Kloof, Willow Park 1882/11/03
> > 1883/05/13
> >
> > 272 DICKS Sarah Maria Hermansina
> > Johan and Lavinia of Lemonfontein, Willow Park 1881/04/01 1883/05/13
> > 273
> >
> > 274 KIECK William Ferdinand
> > Carl John Frederick and Mary Wilhelmina of Birds River, Willow Park
> > 1883/04/04 1883/05/27
> >
> > 275 GRADWELL Harry
> > William John and Sarah Ann of Lemon Kloof, Willow Park 1883/04/15
> 1883/05/27
> >
> > 291 COCKEROFT Harry Rufus
> > Henry Broadley and Magdalina Cornelia of Devingfontein, Dordrecht
> 1882/09/09
> > 1883/07/30
> >
> > 295 BRADFIELD Edith May
> > John Linden and Jeannie of Dordrecht 1883/06/14 1883/08/12
> >
> > 296 PHILLIPS Hester Emily
> > Samuel and Hester Petronella of Klipplaat Hollerspruit?? 1883/08/11
> > 1883/09/16
> >
> > 297 ROBINSON Lillian May
> > Theodore Talbot and Deborah Jane of Xalanga 1883/05/23 1883/09/23
> >
> > 332 PARKIN Helen Elizabeth
> > Frederick William and Martha of Dordrecht 1883/06/09 1883/09/30
> >
> > 349 ELS Susanna Adrianna Margarita Elizabeth
> > Petros Jacobus and Katrina Gertrade of Ertendeal ?, Wodehouse 1882/11/16
> > 1883/11/24
> >
> > 350 OULOFSE Susannah Andriana Elizabeth
> > Gert and Cicelia Johannan of Veirouka?, Wodehouse 1883/06/16 1883/11/24
> >
> > 351 WATKINS Aletta Margareta Magdalina
> > Wilhelm Andries and Anna Katrina of Washbank 1883/08/19 1883/11/24
> >
> > 355 CONNOCK John
> > Joseph and Elizabeth of Clutha, Tsomo 1883/10/27 1883/12/16
> >
> > 356 SYDSERFF Eliza Allison
> > George Rennie Buchan and Mary Ann of Domachad?? Tsomo?? 1883/11/09
> > 1883/12/16
> >
> > 357 ANNANDALE Henry Peter
> > David and Elizabeta Margreta of Mapoort, Xalanga 1883/10/18 1883/12/16
> >
> > 358 BEUKES Johanna Dorothea
> > Johannes Andries and Martha Jacoba Susannah of Xalanga 1883/10/12
> 1883/12/16
> >
> > 359 KING Maria Ann
> > John Henry and Eliza Louisa Hannah of Xalanga 1880/08/19 1883/12/16
> >
> > 360 KING Charlotte Elizabeth
> > John Henry and Eliza Louisa Hannah of Xalanga 1882/07/31 1883/12/16
> >
> > 385 STRETTON Henry Burton
> > John Kidger and Annie Maria of Faere Dell, Stormberg 1883/12/10
1883/12/30
> >
> > 386 COPELAND Margaret Daisy Shaw
> > William Joseph SHAW and Mary COPELAND of Dordrecht 1883/11/01 1884/01/01
> >
> > 387 BENTLEY Violet Olive
> > Alfred John and Maria Josephine of Blaaukrantz, Wodehouse 1883/11/18
> > 1884/01/06
> >
> > 388 SHEPPERSON Arnold Robert
> > Arnold and Mary Ann of Quaggasfontein 1883/06/22 1884/02/03
> >
> > 389 GRADWELL Sarah Ethel
> > Edward James and Margaret of Lemon Kloof 1882/04/12 1884/02/03
> >
> > 390 GRADWELL Mytle Agnes
> > Edward James and Margaret of Lemon Kloof 1883/12/12 1884/02/03
> >
> > 396 BECK Ellen Mary
> > Robert Yarkar ? And Ellen Winfield of Xalanga 1883/12/20 1884/02/10
> >
> > 397 HULLEY Francis Joseph
> > Richard John and Rachel Ann of Xalanga 1883/11/02 1884/02/10
> >
> > 398 HULLEY Francis David Thomas
> > James Thomas and Divina of Spionkop 1884/01/06 1884/02/11
> >
> > 399 COCKEROFT Charles Beauchamp
> > Henry Bradley and Magdalina Cornelia of Divingfontein ?, Dordrecht
> > 1884/01/14 1884/02/11
> >
> > 400 BUCKLEY Erelda Julia
> > John Fargan ? And Carolina Georgina of Dordrecht 1884/02/15 1884/02/26
> >
> > 401 HAW Hannah Maria
> > John and Julia Ann of Jamestown 1883/11/15 1884/03/03
> >
> > 402 BEKKER Katrina Susannah
> > Stephanus Johannes and Andrina Magdalena Dorothea of Bonthoek, Washbank
> > 1884/01/24 1884/03/03
> >
> > 403 VAN DER BERG Anna Katrina Margritha
> > Rudolf Jacobus and Christina of Washbank 1883/07/07 1883/03/18
> >
> > 404 MUIR Annie Edith
> > John Winter and Ann of Tiger Klip, Wodehouse 1881/12/15 1884/03/22
> >
> > 405 MUIR Julia Evelina
> > John Winter and Ann of Tiger Klip, Wodehouse 1883/10/25 1884/03/22
> >
> > 406 RAE Roslin (twin)
> > William and Catherine of Indwe Coal Mine 1877/04/04 1884/03/28
> >
> > 406 RAE Robert Gertus (twin)
> > William and Catherine of Indwe Coal Mine 1877/04/04 1884/03/28
> >
> > 407 RAE Grace
> > William and Catherine of Indwe Coal Mine 1880/02/01 1884/03/28
> >
> > 408 RAE Catherine
> > William and Catherine of Indwe Coal Mine 1882/02/27 1884/03/28
> >
> > 409 GUINEY Olive Gladis
> > Richard Montgomery and Jessie of Doromeer???, Xalanga 1883/04/29
> 1884/03/30
> >
> > 410 DICKS Charlotte Amelia
> > Samuel and Annie of Kelkolmiel ?? Xalanga 1883/05/24 1884/03/30
> >
> > 416 BAIN Michael Edward
> > Alexander and Emily of Macubene 1883/12/28 1884/04/28
> >
> > 417 SARGENT Vinton Evelyn (son of)
> > Edward John and Florence Caroline of Dordrecht 1884/04/26 1884/06/18
> >
> > 418 BRADFIELD Jeanie Louise
> > John Linden and Jeannie (born Shearer??)of Dordrecht 1884/05/14
1884/06/23
> >
> > 419 VAN RENSBURG Nicholas Francois
> > Gerhardus Jacobus Janse and Susarah Johanna Katrina of Ballater? Xalanga
> > 1884/02/26 1884/06/29
> >
> > 420 SMITH Susannah Maria
> > Lourens Erasmus and Aletha Cornelia of Xalanga 1884/03/14 1884/06/29
> >
> > 422 LANG Alfred David
> > Peter and Isabella of Klip Drift, Spyonkop 1884/05/26 1884/07/01
> >
> > 437 REED Beatrice Margaret
> > Harvey Edward and Jane Victoria of Cala 1884/04/21 1884/09/07
> >
> > 438 ROBINSON Thesdore Clement
> > Thesdore Talbot and Deborah Jane of Ida, Xalanga 1884/06/22 1884/08/10
> >
> > 439 WHITTLE Arthur
> > John William and Julia of Ulin, Xalanga 1884/05/24 1884/08/10
> >
> > 440 GREYLING Abraham Johannes
> > Johannes Petrus and Magdalena Katrina of Xalanga 1883/06/08 1884/08/10
> >
> > 441 ANDERSON Elizabeth Janet Vida
> > John and Mary Jane of Xalanga 1884/07/08 1884/08/10
> >
> > 442 ROBINSON Daisy Edna
> > Charles Edmund and Martha Ann of Cala 1884/05/17 1884/08/13
> >
> > 447 CATHRINE Constance Edna
> > Edward and Eliza Emily of Post Cathrine 1882/04/05 1884/08/15
> >
> > 448 CATHRINE Edward Gurney
> > Edward and Eliza Emily of Post Cathrine 1881/09/13 1884/08/15
> >
> > 449 CATHRINE Arthur Douglas
> > Edward and Eliza Emily of Post Cathrine 1884/07/05 1884/08/15
> >
> > 450 BADGER John
> > Edward and Louisa of Dordrecht 1884/07/25 1884/09/19
> >
> > 457 ANDERSON Teabel (??) Lang (dau of)
> > David and Catharine of Klip Drift 1884/08/26 1884/09/20
> >
> > 458 WEBB Olive Mary
> > Ambrose and Mary Isabella of Dordrecht 1884/07/16 1884/10/05
> >
> > 459 CHALMERS Grace Clarke
> > Thomas and Elizabeth Oswald of Dordrecht 1884/05/31 1884/10/07
> >
> > 460 STURMAN Isaac
> > Isaac and Mita of Tafelkop 1884/09/23 1884/10/28
> >
> > Kind rgds
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> >
> >
> >
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