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From: "Paxie Kelsey" <>
Subject: Re: [ZA-IB] Roll of the British Settlers in SA by E Morse-Jones - List of Settlers
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:08:46 +0200
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Hiya Tessa
You have 10 gardeners listed here including John Hill b 1800

Anderson: George, , Gardener, Moodie, Brilliant, 1817,
Gordon: James, , Gardener, Moodie, Brilliant, 1817,
Hill: John, 17, Gardener, Moodie, Brilliant, 1817,
Johnston: John, , Gardener, Moodie, , 1817,
Low: Robert, , Gardener, Moodie, , 1817,
Lyall: William, , Gardener, Moodie, Brilliant, 1817,
McHardie: Charles, , Gardener, Moodie, , 1817,
Tester: John, , Gardener, Moodie, Brilliant, 1817,
Wallace: James, 24, Gardener, Moodie, , 1817, Wife did not embark
Weir: John , 28, Gardener, Moodie, , 1817,

- coincidental that our Charles Hill b 1779 (m Elizabeth Anne b ca 1775) was
also a gardener at Hampton Court before he enlisted with the 1820 Settlers.
John was the son of Cumberland HILL b 1778 and was married to Celia Jane
EASTLAND and they had some 16 children so are a separate issue to Charles
but there is the possibility that Cumberland and Charles may be related.

What are your bright ideas as to where I would find out where all these
gardeners below came from?

I have written for more records from UK regarding Charles employment at HC
but it appears that these records may not have been maintained and
especially as far back as from around 1800 to 1820.
Since its prior to 1837 BMDs and any cenci - what suggestions do you or
anyone else on the list have for researching any of these gardener's
origins? It may be possible that these people knew each other before
embarking with the Moodie Settlers.

My link to Charles HILL is through his eldest son, James, who is the missing
link in this maze of HILL's. The daughter of James, Isabella, was my great
great Grandmother. Please note that Becky,
(link - James- son of Charles), Joan, (link -
Jane - daughter of Charles) and Val,
(link - Henry - son of Charles) are all on the same track here.

Perhaps, having not read the research material from where these names are
listed, there is further information regarding these gardeners. If not, its
all worth a shot, and hopefully someone out there will have some other
brainstorm as to where Becky and I can go hunting.
Regards
Paxie


Paxie Kelsey (Mrs) 23 Defiant Ave, Airfield, Benoni, 1501, Gauteng, South
Africa
Cell +27 82 956 3354 Home + 27 11 849 9962 email: Fax +27
11 849 6705
Researching SMITH, BEST, PAXTON, THECK, LINCK, HENWICK, HILL, KELSEY,
DEMPSTER, GREGORY, BROSNAN, BROUGH, GREENER. WILLSON, PULLEN, SCHMIDT (TT)



----- Original Message -----
From: "Tessa King" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:55 AM
Subject: [ZA-IB] Roll of the British Settlers in SA by E Morse-Jones - List
of Settlers


Hi listers

Here is the list of Settlers who came to South Africa prior to 1820 as
listed in the book "Roll of the British Settlers in South Africa ~
Part 1 up to 1826" by E Morse-Jones. (Published under the auspices of
the 1820 Settlers Monument Committee A A Balkema/Cape Town 1971 2nd
Edition).

NAMES OF SETTLERS
The lists following are in three groups, these severally including
Settlers who landed prior to 1820, those who landed in 1820 and those
who landed from 1821 to 1826.
Age at embarkation, occupation where known, the names of wife and
children where applicable (together with their ages), party and ship
are given. Only the first baptismal name is given.

In the case of Moodie's party where a ship's name is not given the
sailing was either in the Clyde or the Garland. Where no party is
given the Settler sailed independently of organised parties. Any
peculiar circumstances are added.

Only children under 21 years of age are shown with their families.
Those over 21 have been listed separately. This is not a new
departure, having been followed by previous investigators.

Differences in particulars to those given in previous lists as in age,
name, spelling, ship's name etc. result from examination of all
available material in the National Archives and inspection of
Registers of Marriage and of Burial, of all denominations, at relevant
places.

BRITISH SETTLERS WHO LANDED PRIOR TO 1820

Name, Age, Occupation, Party, Ship, Year, Comments





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