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From: Janet Melville <>
Subject: RE: YES to Archives - money and stiffies
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:27:12 +0200


Hi
Its a 3.5 microdisk floppy discs do still exist but here at UPE you would
have to battle to find a machine with a floppy drive. Theyve taken over
from the old floppy discs and have a capacity of 2.0mb.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: Cherie Thompson [mailto:]
Sent: 01 September 1999 01:08
To:
Subject: Re: YES to Archives - money and stiffies


O.K. List I give up!!!!!
What are "stiffies"?
In Australian slang it means something else
which does not relate to genealogy!
Please explain!!!!!!!!
Kind regards to All,
Cherie
On the Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia.

Gold Coast Genealogy
www.extra.net.au/~gcg
Searching,
ARNOLD, BEE, CREED, FIELDER, FERGUSON, FOSTER,
GILL, IRWIN, JAMES, KINKADE, MANGAN, PINDER,
REARDON, STEWART, THOMPSON.

Queensland State Reporter for Australian Family
Tree Connections (AFTC) magazine.
Member Brisbane DPS.
Member #22 IFHAA.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerda
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: YES to Archives - money and stiffies


Hi all,

Time out, please.

The original idea was that we should all collect the stiffies for a
few names that we are interested in and pool the resources or at least
advertise who has what, so that we can do lookups for each other. We
can perhaps get permission to run a list of owners on Conrod's
Website, just as is done with the reference books.

Delia has offered to collect a number of of names for us and we
appreciate that very much indeed. Thanks Delia.

It is a free country, and if someone offers a service we can either
accept or decline, of such are democracies made.

Except for the GenLias in Leeuwarden, which bombs out regularly, I
have yet to find another one that provides names, dates and source
locations. The Genlias is not Government sponsored, by the way, it is
run by volunteers. Our geographical diversity does not make that
feasible.

By each buying a few stiffies with references and putting them in
order, we'd have a similar service, but spread over a very wide
geographical area and with people all over the world
contributing/volunteering their services.

I really can't see how anybody can have a problem with that. Come on,
let's all collect a few names, and get the project off the ground.

Regards

Gerda








Original Message -----
From: Delia Robertson <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: NO to Archives - money and stiffies


>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: van Rensburg <>
>Date: 31 August, 1999 10:20 PM
>Subject: Re: NO to Archives - money and stiffies
>
>
>I never claimed that they have free information
>-----------no but you did say: "our ultimate goal of FREE
>access on the internet to STAIRS."
>
>but they have readily accessible on line information please look
>at:
>http://www.origins.net/GRO/
>http://www.pro.gov.uk/finding/start.htm
>
>-----------been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Don't need
>the lecture.
>
>The on the internet you will find free information as well e.g..
>A
>Complete Transcription for marriages for the March Quarter of
>1849 is available from
>http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/StCathsTranscriptions/
>
>-----------not a national archival system
>
>
>My father-in-law is from Norway thus we have done more research
>there please look at the free Census for Norway 1801, as well as
>shipping record between 1825 - 1925:
>http://www.uib.no/hi/1801page.html
>http://www.museumsnett.no/mka/ssa/
>
>----------no Norwegian ancestors, don't have the time. But
>again, is this a national archival system?
>
>I am sure none of these entities would even dream of having a
>system which is
>current with the State Archives or having to resort to the
>extraordinary trouble
>that you are prepared to, please correct me if I don't know what
>I am talking
>about, and let me know if they have a similar antiquated
>procedure.
>-----------could you try saying this again please, have no idea
>what you're trying to communicate.
>
>Never suggested that, just want greater access and efficiency.
>Are you not in favour of STAIRS going on the internet? or are
>you developing vested interest?
>---------nobody, neither me nor anyone else on this forum, has
>suggested that we don't want STAIRS on the net. It is you who
>keeps bringing this ludicrous assertion into the debate. We are
>merely speaking of an interim solution and an offer of help to a
>few others. Plain and simple. And what precisely do you mean
>about vested interest - care to elucidate?
>
>I attributed noble motives, and never referred to "greedy
>middlewomen and men" those are your words, neither did I suggest
>that any disk or postage should be provided free.
>----------perhaps not, but you did say: "now it seems that they
>are offering some inferior alternative, with the middlemen/women
>coming in for their slice of the pie." As for the disks and
>postage, I was merely expanding the concept of free by a further
>step. (Its called "illustrating your point".)
>
>I acknowledge that the way that you are trying to help is better
>than the present system.
>Let me share with you regarding service. <snip.>
>----------Please, spare me the pontification on efficiency. I
>do understand the concept.
>
>Hopefully you know what you are talking about when you infer
>that the status quo and your method, even though it is an
>improvement on the present system, is the way to communicate
>information as we approach the 21 Century.
>------------you dissemble. I did not say nor did I infer
>anything at all about a present system, "my method", or the
>status quo. I merely stated that you did not understand the
>difference between an interim solution offered by the staff of
>the Pretoria reading room and the ongoing upgrade of the
>national archival computer system --- including the eventual
>internet access of STAIRS. The one has got nothing to do with
>the other.
>
>And I objected to you starting an ill-informed and
>unsubstantiated rumour (replete with insults) that an interim
>solution offered by reading room (front of shop) staff in
>Pretoria was somehow a nefarious ploy by the staff of the
>reading room in Pretoria and myself to cancel the upgrade and
>the eventual access of STAIRS on the internet. (Yes, I know you
>didn't use those exact words - illustrating the point again, I'm
>afraid.)
>
>Delia Robertson.
>
>
>
>
>
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