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From: "JCCI\\MAUREEN BRADY" <>
Subject: Re: BUTHELEZI
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:59:16 -0700


This recent debate just goes to show how much of a "white" List we still
are. I'm not looking to start a 'thread': it just makes you THINK, doesn't
it?

And before anyone starts 'slating' me for this comment, I'm a direct
descendant of Krotoa/Eva. Pasop! Slange byt terug as hul gesteur word! :-)

ARE there any equivalent isiZulu/isiXhosa/moSotho/siSwati, etc, GenLists? My
black colleagues want to know... because they're intrigued by the research
I'm doing on-line.

Regards
Maureen

-----Original Message-----
From: A.J. Ellis <>
To: <>
Date: 02 September 1999 06:35
Subject: Fw: BUTHELEZI


>I cannot vouch the truth or accuracy of what follows:
>
>Years ago I served with a Zulu who taught me much about life. Once I asked
>him about the prominence of the Buthelezi Tribe. He responded that he was
>told the following by his mother.
>
>Years ago it was the way that when tribes made war the womenfolk would
>gather on the high ground to watch the happenings. This was when the
>African Napoleon changed warfare by introducing the stabbing spear into
>warfare. Shaka was in the thick of the melee when an adversery tried to
>stab him from a blind side. A young boy, supposed to be with the
"watchers"
>got very excited and had joined in the chaos. He then intervened and saved
>Shaka injury.
>
>Well, the story then went that Shaka noticed this and afterwards tasked one
>of the senior impis to train the young man in the Art of War. Some time
>afterwards the young man was put to the test and told to go and punish some
>local chief or headman. He went with a force, did the job, returned with
>the cattle and passed the test with flying collours
>
>This young man was a Buthelezi and this was apparently the start of the
rise
>to prominence of the Buthelezi Tribe. Bear in mind that before Shaka's
time
>the Zulu Nation was a collection of "loose" tribes.
>
>Again, this makes for a good story, and it was relayed to my Zulu mentor by
>word of mouth as was the way of the time. I have no factual proof of any
of
>it. My mentor was a MTHETHWA and a WARRIOR.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: van Rensburg <>
>To: <>
>Date: 02 September 1999 12:36
>Subject: BUTHELEZI
>
>
>>Hi Delia,
>>I hope you receive a hearing from Minister Buthelezi, as you go I will
sing
>>SHOSHOLOZA and it sentiments, and am sure that the others listers will
join
>in.
>>
>>Regarding Minister Mangosuthu Buthelezi, I have been reading about Shaka
>and there
>>are references to the Buthelezis. Is there a connection between him and
>them? and do
>>we know Minister Buthelezi's ancestral line, hopefully some on the list
can
>enlighten
>>us on this.
>>Regards
>>Andre van Rensburg
>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Genealogical resources
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:30:53 +0300
>>> From: "Delia Robertson" <>
>>> To:
>>>
>>> Hi Maureen:
>>>
>>> STAIRS and Madeleine Meyer have got nothing to do with Home
>>> Affairs. Home Affairs is birth, marriage, death certificates,
>>> passports, visas, identity documents, etc. The other is the
>>> national archival system which falls under, I believe, Culture
>>> and Technology. Thought I would offer the clarification.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, I have written to Home Affairs Minister Mangosuthu
>>> Buthelezi to arrange a meeting to discuss Home Affairs services,
>>> our needs and suggestions how the Department and public benefit
>>> from improvements. Ditto for the Statistical Services, to
>>> discuss need or preserving census information so that like many
>>> other countries the information will be available to the public
>>> in 100 years.
>>>
>>> Have a couple of other things on the back burner - will
>>> elucidate when time is right.
>>>
>>> Cheers. Delia.
>>> Email:
>>> Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/~deliarobertson
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: JCCI\MAUREEN BRADY <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Date: 01 September, 1999 12:03 AM
>>> Subject: Genealogical resources
>>>
>>> :Hullo Hennie M
>>> :
>>> :A 1000 pardons: I've just given your contact details to our SA
>>> genealogy
>>> :list, but, as an employee of a Chamber of Commerce, I've been
>>> party to SO
>>> :many forums to bring about partnerships between the public &
>>> private sectors
>>> :over the past few years, & my experiences on this List plus the
>>> current
>>> :debate on the List involving STAIRS & your Madelaine Meyer make
>>> me feel
>>> :strongly that you bureaucrats should be involved, considering
>>> how much we
>>> :rely on your services.
>>> :
>>> :Please get involved in the debate or designate someone to do
>>> so. Send a
>>> :message to with "subscribe"
>>> (without the
>>> :quote marks) as the only word in the body of the text. We need
>>> your input on
>>> :how feasible it might be to put at least the Index to STAIRS
>>> online as a
>>> :freely available service, which would stimulate demand for your
>>> services
>>> :(downloads, copies of notices, etc) & so generate income for
>>> the STAIRS
>>> :department to enable it to continue to provide researchers with
>>> information.
>>> :I will forward to you separately certain recent mails in
>>> support of this
>>> :submission.
>>> :
>>> :Kind regards
>>> :Maureen Brady
>>
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