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From: "dpratt" <>
Subject: Re: History.
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 07:49:45 +0100
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Hi Maureen,
I bought Frontiers at an Exclusive Book Sale for something like R21. It's
size puts me off!

I believe Jeff Pieres (sp) House of Philo is also very good on the history
of the Xhosa people - of great interest to us in the Western Cape - more
than Zulu history.
Derek Pratt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brady" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: History.


> Hi Derek, Andrew, Mike & others
>
> For a truly epic overview of events that shaped the Cape, with a specific
> focus on the Eastern Cape, from the very earliest arrival of Europeans,
read
>
> Frontiers: the Epic of South Africa's Creation and the Tragedy of the
Xhosa
> People
> by Noel Mostert
> Pimlico (London), 1355pp, 1993, 0 7126 5584 0 [First published by Jonathan
> Cape, 1992]
>
> There were stages when the endless border conflicts felt like a long plod,
> but I was glad I went the distance -- it really deepened my knowledge of
SA
> history & illuminated our more recent past considerably.
>
> Regards
> Maureen
> Johannesburg
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dpratt <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: History.
>
>
> Hi Mike
> I agree with you. I do so as a scholar of history who has a masters
degree
> in Church History and studied historiology. Looking at the study of
history
> in South Africa with the different viewpoints being expressed over the
20th
> Century really got me hooked on history. First there was the settler
> historians - THeal Cory etc who saw settlers as bringers of civilisation.
> Then the Afrikaner historians, Smit, Van Jaarsveld who presented history
> from an Afrikaner perspective. THen the liberal english historians -
Monica
> Wilson, Leonard THompson, De Kievet etc who blamed all South African
faults
> on the the Afrikaner. Then the Marxist historians Bozolli, Sheila Marks
etc
> who blames all our problems on the mine owners and industrialists. I not
> sure who comes next..... that's when my course ended.
>
> I tutor students in Church History and always say to them read as many
> different viewpoints as you can so that you can find the truth somewhere
> amongst them all!
>
> As us genealogical researchers know, even primary documents contain
mistakes
>
> Regards
> Derek Pratt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wattrusm" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:58 AM
> Subject: Re: History.
>
>
> > Hi Derek,
> > The word history is more than likely a derivative of "his story" so it
> > should come as no surprise to any of us that history is just a jaundiced
> > look at the past from the particular point of view of the "his storian".
> <v
> > b grin>. I once came last at an inter-provincial school's athletics
> meeting
> > and told everyone who asked about it later that I came fifth out of all
> the
> > school's athletes in our province (My "his story"). Depends on how you
say
> > it I suppose, how loud and also how often . It is never-the-less always
> good
> > to remember the three point of the triangle of history. There is usually
> > "his story", "my story" and then hidden somewhere between the two, the
> > "truth"!
> >
> > I bet I have just disturbed a real hornets nest now, so I will leave in
a
> > hurry!! I can already hear the buzz from the "historians"!!
> > Best wishes
> > M..i....k.......e (puffs of dust!!)
> >
> > (truly all said in a jocular mood)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: dpratt <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: SOUTH-AFRICA-D Digest V01 #546
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > We should all have learned all about this in school - it is a
seminal
> > > event
> > > > in SA history, after all.
> > >
> > > Whoops, Andrew, your eurocentricity is showing (grin). THere are many
> > > history educators in South Africa who will disagree with you. They
view
> > > this as a minor invasion of imperialistic europeans. Whether they are
> > right
> > > or wrong, I'll leave to you decide!
> > > Regards
> > > Derek Pratt
> > > who is fascinated at what his children learn as 'history' at schools
> these
> > > days
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
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