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From: Lehmkuhl <>
Subject: Grosvenor shipwreck
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:33:08 -0500
>Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 05:02:34 +1300
>From: Doug & Pat Frykberg <>
>Subject: shipwreck survivors on SA coast (Maureen)
>Maureen I had some time ago a long correspondence with someone searching
>about the "Grosvenor". With his research and what I could report to him from
>the Van Riebeeck Society Publication #34 "Source Book on the Wreck of the
>Grosvenor" he came to the opinion that evidence of a white female child
>Lydia Harriet Logie who survived the wreck was a family member of his. There
>is (darned if I can now find the exact reference) evidence that she was
>taken into a local tribe and lived to produce children.
>Had you heard of this?
I've written an article on the Grosvenor for my newsletter. There was a
couple, Alexander LOGIE (Chief Mate) and his wife, Lydia. She had an Indian
hand-maiden, Betty, so they could have had a child (who is not listed).
There were women passengers said to have been taken into local tribes. The
light-skinned Abalunga (whose name in the local language signified White
people) may have been their progeny.
Captain Benjamin STOUT, an American from Boston and relative of President
John ADAMS, was in command of the American East Indiaman "Hercules", which
ran aground on 16 June 1796 near the spot where the Grosvenor had met the
same fate. He managed to get the ship going the following day, as far as
the mouth of the Baka River. There, they encountered a local tribe. The
captain, with help from the Dutch third mate and a Khoisan who could speak
some of the language, managed to find out that Captain COXON (of the
Grosvenor) and his men were slain. One of the chiefs insisted on taking two
white women into the tribe and when the captain and his men resisted, they
were overwhelmed. STOUT was told that one of the women had died shortly
afterwards but the other one was still living and had several children by
the chief. The tribesmen did not know where she was at that time.
STOUT wrote a book, The Cape of Good Hope and its dependencies; Edward &
Knibb, London, 1820
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