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From: adamandlopa yamey <>
Subject: [ZA] Re: SOUTH-AFRICA-D Digest V02 #388
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:38:54 +0100 (BST)
In-Reply-To: <200207260601.g6Q61ffP008672@lists5.rootsweb.com>


Dear Vaughan, thanks. It is the two N version in which
I am interested: SELIGMANN.
Adam

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> ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822
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> SOUTH-AFRICA-D DigestVolume 02 : Issue 388
>
> Today's Topics:
> #1 [ZA] Simonstown ["Alan
> Cooper" <]
> #2 [ZA] POOLER [Lynda
> Worthner <>]
> #3 Re: [ZA] I have found Jean!! ["Bernie
> Cramer" <]
> #4 Re: [ZA] 1820 Settler/Old Andrean ["Frans
> Bedford-Visser" <fb011c3281]
> #5 Re: [ZA] 1820 Settler/Old Andrean ["Frans
> Bedford-Visser" <fb011c3281]
> #6 Re: [ZA] Found them! My SMITHs ["VHolmes"
> <>]
> #7 [ZA] SELIGMAN ROAD IN QUEENSTOWN ["VHolmes"
> <>]
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> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:49:10 -0700
> From: "Alan Cooper" <>
> To:
> Subject: [ZA] Simonstown
>
> Hello Listers.
> I am new to this list and I'm reseaching the death
> of my grandfather, John NOON, who died in Simonstown
> in 1905/1906. I do not know if he was in the
> military or just a civilian employed by someone in
> Simonstown. I do know this, however, that there was
> a James Michael NOON who resided in Simonstown
> during this period and had family. In saying this I
> do not think that it was by coincidence that my
> grandfather was in Simonstown, possibly not
> connected with the military at all. Could SKS tell
> me if there is a RC Cemetary in Simonstown and if
> possible is there a newspaper who may have been in
> ciculation in the 1905/1906 period.
> I would appreciate any information no matter how
> small so I can, hopefully, get started in the right
> direction.
> With thanks,
> Alan (Noon) Cooper
> Canada
>
>
> ______________________________

> ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822
> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:22:15 -0400
> From: Lynda Worthner <>
> To:
> Subject: [ZA] POOLER
>
> I am seeking information on the following people.
> Frederick John (Jack) Pooler born 1879 Q4 (Barton,
> Lancs), son of
> William Pooler and Anne Hollies.
> John Stanley Pooler son of Jack Pooler.
> Dr Noel Richard Pooler, born 1903 Q2 (Aston,
> Birmingham)
> Richard Pooler some of Dr. Noel Richard Pooler.
> There are 3 of us working on the Pooler Family Tree
> and we would really
> like to fill in this branch of the tree.
> Our Poolers seem to have started out in the
> Shropshire/Staffordshire
> part of England.
> Any information greatly appreciated. Gladly share
> what we have.
> Lynda Worthner.
>
> ______________________________

> ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822
> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:46:28 +0200
> From: "Bernie Cramer" <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA] I have found Jean!!
>
> Hello Lee,
>
> That's great!! I'm very happy for you.
>
> regards,
> Bernie.
>
> Bernard L Cramer,
> POBox,100805,
> Scottsville, 3209,
> Pietermaritzburg,
> KZN, South Africa.
> phone, +27-33-3420111
> Mobile, +27-072-3045319..
> Email,
> Email,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lee and Brian Symonds"
> <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:43 AM
> Subject: [ZA] I have found Jean!!
>
>
> > Hello Everyone
> > You may remember that I posted a few queries
> regarding my uncle
> Frederick Charles CARPENTER who lived in Durban and
> Harare.
> > I had some very interesting information,
> especially from Bernie
> Cramer, who sent me some death notices for Charlie's
> first wife who
> had two sons Harry and Basil Hough, from her first
> marriage.
> >
> > I decided to write to the Daily News in Durban
> asking for
> information about Harry and Basil because I thought
> if I could find
> them they could lead me to my cousin, their
> step-sister Jean.
> >
> > Amazingly a few nights ago they printed my letter,
> and I received
> mails from people who saw it ---- right next to the
> death column in
> which there was a notice for Harry! Another reader
> scanned me another
> notice from another Durban newspaper which said
> "Beloved brother of
> Basil, Uncle to Graham, Robert and Neil.
> >
> > Well I decided to look for one of those names in
> the telephone
> directory for Durban, and sure enough found an entry
> for Neil Hough.
> A little nervously, bearing in mind there had been a
> death in the
> family, I telephoned Durban. A guy answered and I
> asked for Neil
> Hough, the guy said he was not in, so I asked "who
> am I speaking to
> please" and he said" his father Basil"!!!
> >
> > I said - this is Lee ringing from Watford,
> England. Have you seen
> my letter in the Daily News about Charlie Carpenter,
> is he your step
> father? He said "Yes, he sure is, I am so pleased
> to speak to you".
> Well needless to say I was so excited and pleased.
> We had a lovely
> telephone conversation, he was such a lovely man,
> and of course he had
> Jeans telephone number and address, and she lives in
> London. I rang
> her this evening and we had a long chat and plan to
> meet up over the
> coming weeks and she is more than happy to tell me
> all about her
> father.
> >
> > It must be said that it was extremely spooky that
> the night my
> letter appeared it was the same night as the death
> notice. God moves
> in mysterious ways sometimes.
> >
> > All of you who responded to my questions about
> Durban, Salisbury,
> the Freemasons, which newspapers to write to etc,
> thank you very very
> much. When I joined this list, I had nothing, and I
> have gained so
> much - my cousin. (I have even had an invitation to
> go to Durban)!
> >
> > Without you all - I would never have found Jean,
> and I hope my story
> gives you hope if you despair of finding members of
> your family -
> miracles do happen sometimes.
> >
> > My best wishes to you all, and a special kiss for
> Bernie xx (your
> information was key).
> >
> > Lee
> > Watford, England UK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:13:34 +0100
> From: "Frans Bedford-Visser"
> <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA] 1820 Settler/Old Andrean Family
> Reunions
>
> Hi Peter
>
> Any relation to Fred Southey? He used to live in
> Houghton, Johannesburgh,
> and I worked for him in the early 1980's.
>
> Regards
>
> Frans Bedford-Visser
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Southey" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZA] 1820 Settler/Old Andrean Family
> Reunions
>
>
> > Hi Julie
> >
> > I have been wondering about one for the Southeys,
> predominantly around the
> > Middelburg, Steynsburg and Colesburg area. Many
> attended St Andrews of
> > course and so know the families you are talking
> about. We have a
> prominent
> > Bowker presence in Middelburg as well. I think my
> cousin Julian Southey
> was
> > very friendly with a Driver from Upper House?? He
> farms near Middelburg.
> > Nothing more definite at this stage.
> >
> > Any Southeys, Gilfillans, Greaves, Pringles,
> Rubidges, Murrays
> > (Graaf-Reinet) on this list serve?
> >
> > Regards
> > Peter Southey
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Julie Driver" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 4:22 AM
> > Subject: [ZA] 1820 Settler/Old Andrean Family
> Reunions
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > How many 1820 Settler family descendants are
> thinking of having a
> reunion
> > > soon? Any BOWKERs, IMPEYs, SHAWs, FORRESTERs,
> NORTONs or OGILVIEs? Does
> > > anyone know how common large scale family
> history fairs or multiple
> family
> > > reunions are? Is there a group that plans these
> things? Does anyone keep
> a
> > > list of upcoming reunions?
> > >
> > > We DRIVERs are planning a family reunion for
> sometime in the next few
> > years
> > > - maybe in parallel with the sesquicentennial
> celebrations for St.
> Andrews
> > > College (Grahamstown) in 2005 - if we can wait
> that long!
> > >
> > > If there are other 1820 Settler/Old Andrean
> families of like mind, I
> would
> > > be interested to hear from you.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Julie
> > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdriver
> > >
> > > I use Archive CD Books in my research. The
> Archive CD Books Project
> > > http://www.archivecdbooks.org
> > >
> > > Researching:
> > > BOWKER, Lancashire ENG->ZAF (1700-1820)
> > > DRIVER, Kelham, Nottinghamshire ENG->ZAF
> (1700-present)
> > > FORRESTER, Parish Burslem, Staffordshire
> ENG->ZAF (1700-1820)
> > > IMPEY, ZAF (1820-present)
> > > NORTON, Deptford, Kent ENG->ZAF (before 1820)
> > > MITFORD, Northumberland ENG->ZAF (1700-1820)
> > > OGILVIE, SCT->ZAF (1700-present)
> > >
> > > Also ROBINSON, HUGGINS, LAMB (South Muskham,
> NOTTS c 1800), SHAW
> (Glasgow
> > > 1798) and STANFORD (ZAF 1800-present)
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:17:34 +0100
> From: "Frans Bedford-Visser"
> <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA] 1820 Settler/Old Andrean Family
> Reunions
>
> Quick thought - My mother Isobel Visser (nee Nel)
> was also great friends
> with Pam Rubidge who lives near Graaff-Reinet, and I
> was at school with a
> Cecil Murray at Union High, Graaff-Reinet.
>
> Regards
>
> Frans Bedford-Visser
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Southey" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZA] 1820 Settler/Old Andrean Family
> Reunions
>
>
> > Hi Julie
> >
> > I have been wondering about one for the Southeys,
> predominantly around the
> > Middelburg, Steynsburg and Colesburg area. Many
> attended St Andrews of
> > course and so know the families you are talking
> about. We have a
> prominent
> > Bowker presence in Middelburg as well. I think my
> cousin Julian Southey
> was
> > very friendly with a Driver from Upper House?? He
> farms near Middelburg.
> > Nothing more definite at this stage.
> >
> > Any Southeys, Gilfillans, Greaves, Pringles,
> Rubidges, Murrays
> > (Graaf-Reinet) on this list serve?
> >
> > Regards
> > Peter Southey
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Julie Driver" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 4:22 AM
> > Subject: [ZA] 1820 Settler/Old Andrean Family
> Reunions
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > How many 1820 Settler family descendants are
> thinking of having a
> reunion
> > > soon? Any BOWKERs, IMPEYs, SHAWs, FORRESTERs,
> NORTONs or OGILVIEs? Does
> > > anyone know how common large scale family
> history fairs or multiple
> family
> > > reunions are? Is there a group that plans these
> things? Does anyone keep
> a
> > > list of upcoming reunions?
> > >
> > > We DRIVERs are planning a family reunion for
> sometime in the next few
> > years
> > > - maybe in parallel with the sesquicentennial
> celebrations for St.
> Andrews
> > > College (Grahamstown) in 2005 - if we can wait
> that long!
> > >
> > > If there are other 1820 Settler/Old Andrean
> families of like mind, I
> would
> > > be interested to hear from you.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Julie
> > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdriver
> > >
> > > I use Archive CD Books in my research. The
> Archive CD Books Project
> > > http://www.archivecdbooks.org
> > >
> > > Researching:
> > > BOWKER, Lancashire ENG->ZAF (1700-1820)
> > > DRIVER, Kelham, Nottinghamshire ENG->ZAF
> (1700-present)
> > > FORRESTER, Parish Burslem, Staffordshire
> ENG->ZAF (1700-1820)
> > > IMPEY, ZAF (1820-present)
> > > NORTON, Deptford, Kent ENG->ZAF (before 1820)
> > > MITFORD, Northumberland ENG->ZAF (1700-1820)
> > > OGILVIE, SCT->ZAF (1700-present)
> > >
> > > Also ROBINSON, HUGGINS, LAMB (South Muskham,
> NOTTS c 1800), SHAW
> (Glasgow
> > > 1798) and STANFORD (ZAF 1800-present)
> > >
> > >
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> ATTACHMENT part 7 message/rfc822
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:31:08 +0200
> From: "VHolmes" <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Found them! My SMITHs
>
> Thanks Mike,
>
> By the way, we are no longer in DBN, having
> relocated to KWT at the
> beginning of the year.
>
> Regards,
>
> Vaughan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wattrusm <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Found them! My SMITHs
>
>
> > Hi Vaughn
> > I had a quick look at the photos I took of pages
> out of the 1916 Cape
> > Directory.
> > I found the following Smiths, although I know they
> cannot be your
> > GGGgrandfather. Maybe they are family though.
> >
> > Farmers In BRABANT (Formerly Berlin) District
> > Smith A E
> > Smith W A, Bloomfields
> >
> > Hope this is of some help
> > Mike
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: VHolmes <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ZA] Found them! My SMITHs
> >
> >
> > > Hello Anne,
> > >
> > > You are fortunate indeed. I am looking for
> g-g-g-grandfather "R SMITH"
> > who
> > > was Post Master of King William's Town and that,
> unfortunately, is
> > basically
> > > all I know about him.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Vaughan
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Lehmkuhl <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 6:59 PM
> > > Subject: [ZA] Found them! My SMITHs
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi list members
> > > Had to share this... After searching for many
> years for my late
> > > mother-in-law's SMITH family, I have just made
> contact with the son of
> one
> > > of her brothers! She died in Nov 1999 and told
> me all that she knew. The
> > > family didn't stay in touch, so I was never able
> to trace them.
> > > This was a real needle in a haystack - looking
> for SMITH from Cape Town
> to
> > > Johannesburg!
> > > Now my hubby has a whole bunch of cousins to
> connect with.
> > > As I find out more, I will be looking here for
> connections to this SMITH
> > > line.
> > > So never give up - they are out there somewhere!
> > > ______________________________________
> > > Anne Lehmkuhl http://www.rupert.net/~lkool/
> > >
> > >
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> ATTACHMENT part 8 message/rfc822
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 03:12:04 +0200
> From: "VHolmes" <>
> To:
> Subject: [ZA] SELIGMAN ROAD IN QUEENSTOWN
>
> Hello Adam,
>
> I recently wrote that there was a Seligman Road in
> Queenstown and was subsequently advised that there
> is no such road in the town. That was my mistake
> for which I apologise, because Seligman Road is in
> fact in Middleburg and it appears to be Seligman
> with a single N.
>
> Regards,
>
> Vaughan
>

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