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From: "Maureen Brady" <>
Subject: Re: Eastern Cape Frontier Wars [Re: [ZA] McCabes in Graaf reinet / Nieu Bethesda / Colesburg]]
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:46:31 +0200
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Hi Lynda

Although I got a very friendly response from the Regimental historian of the
45th Regiment some years back (the 27th Inniskillings fought alongside them
in many an SA battle), he told me that just about all that era's regimental
(not just the 45th's) personnel records are now at the PRO in Kew. I have
also just learned from a UK contact that, following the merger of the PRO
with the Historical Manuscripts Commission, it is now called The National
Archives or TNA -- but, as he pointed out, "Public Records Office" is
inscribed above the entrance of the actual building, so he's not sure this
new name will persist for long!

It's good to hear not all regiments gave up their records entirely, so,
thanks, I would appreciate copies of whatever you get, because I think I may
have a few relatives in the 27th.

Kind regards
Maureen Brady
Johannesburg

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynda Price" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Eastern Cape Frontier Wars [Re: [ZA] McCabes in Graaf reinet /
Nieu Bethesda / Colesburg]]


> Hi everyone
> Having been given a big brush off last time I phoned, I have today spoken
to
> a wonderfully helpful man at the museum of the Royal Innsikilling
Fusiliers
> in Enniskillen, he is unable to provide any details of individuals from
the
> museum, as those records that survived the London bombing in WW2 are all
at
> Kew.
> But he is photocopying their books and records about the regiment's
history
> in SA and sending them to me, so when I get them I will scan them in and
> send them to anyone who wants them.
> Regards
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Maureen Brady" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 7:23 AM
> Subject: Eastern Cape Frontier Wars [Re: [ZA] McCabes in Graaf reinet /
Nieu
> Bethesda / Colesburg]]
>
>
> > Hi Keith, All
> >
> > Those nine Eastern Cape wars (which someone has dubbed SA's 'Hundred
Years
> > War') are now politely referred to as Frontier Wars, and the ones you're
> > referring to are actually the 6th, 7th and 8th -- I know they are
> indicated
> > as 1, 2 and 3 in the 1853 Medal Roll, but that's not correct. The first
> > three took place during the era of Dutch control; the first one the
> British
> > were involved in was the 4th, between 1811-12. The 1-3 in the Medal Roll
> are
> > actually the 6th, which took place in 1834, the 7th between 1846-48
(also
> > known as the War of the Axe), the 8th in 1850-53 (hence the title of the
> > medal), then there was a long hiatus before the last and 9th in 1877-78
> > (also known as the Gcaika-Galeka War), in which the sons of many of the
> > soldiers of the previous two wars fought. My great-great-grandfather
> served
> > with the 1st Battalion of the 45th (Nottinghamshire) Regiment of Foot in
> the
> > 7th and 8th; he (the 45th had returned to the UK in 1859) and three of
his
> > sons served in various colonial regiments in the 9th.
> >
> > What I've found very interesting about the 45th in particular is how
many
> of
> > the men had Irish names, which isn't surprising when one discovers the
1st
> > Battalion was stationed in Ireland between 1840 and 1842 -- they landed
at
> > Simon's Town on 30 April 1843. The 45th was in SA for 15 years and many
of
> > the men married here and started families. The Colonial Office actively
> > encouraged soldiers to settle on the eastern frontier, and the 45th's
> > official history states that, when the Regiment returned to the UK in
> 1859,
> > it did so "much depleted in numbers". This was the case with several of
> the
> > regiments which served in the region, so a lot of our ancestors were
> > military men.
> >
> > The 1853 Medal Roll (all regiments) is in a searchable database online
at
> > http://surreygenealogist.com/sgdatabasebody.htm -- you can only search
by
> > surname, not regiment. If you've been unable to find an ancestor as
either
> > an 1820 Settler or on the ships' lists for later arrivals, you'll
probably
> > find him here. This will give you the name of his regiment and can then
> > search the Internet for a history of the regiment, which will indicate
an
> > arrival date. This won't help you establish the names of his wife and
> > children, however, but it's a good start.
> >
> > Regards
> > Maureen Brady
> > Johannesburg
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Keith Meintjes" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 4:04 AM
> > Subject: RE: [ZA] McCabes in Graaf reinet / Nieu Bethesda / Colesburg]
> >
> >
> > > According to the book "The South Africa 1853 Medal", James McCabe was
> > awarded
> > > the medal. He was a private in the 27th (Inskilling) Regiment.
> > >
> > > Hwe was involved in the first and second, but not the third "Kaffir
> war".
> > The
> > > reference is WO/100/17 at the Public Records Office.
> > >
> > > This would be his claim for the medal. If you think this is a lead
> worth
> > > following, I suggest you look for his discharge papers first.
> > >
> > > Keith
> > > ================================
> > >
> > > "Robert and Shelley" <> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Lynda
> > > Sorry, I don't have much help for you. I too have been searching
> > everywhere
> > > for info on MCCABE and have come up with absolutely nothing!
> > > I have a Charlotte MCCABE born abt 1860 married to William Michael
Adair
> > > MCCARTER born abt 1855.
> > > If these end up tying in with yours I would be most grateful if you
let
> me
> > > know. I do have descendents of these two.
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > > Robert
> > >
> > > Robert and Shelley Laing
> > > Adelaide, Australia
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Researching: Trollip/Trollope; Willmore; Harran; Fletcher; Rex;
> Dalgairns;
> > > Wentworth; Blewett/Bluet/Bluett; Laing; Lunn; Langhorne; Edwards
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lynda Price [mailto:]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:01 PM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: [ZA] McCabes in Graaf reinet / Nieu Bethesda / Colesburg
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi listers-
> > > with some anxiety I would like to ask a question. Can I say I have
> already
> > > searched the archives, LDS, Rootsweb, Ancestry .com etc and not found
> the
> > > answer so I have done my homework, before the belting begins!!
> > > I am stuck with the McCabes in the eastern cape so if anyone has any
> info
> > I
> > > would be grateful.
> > > What I have is
> > > ELIZABETH LAMB MCCABE, born Colesburg 1st October 1850, died 12th
April
> > 1923
> > > in Graaf Reinet (having married Christman Joel Immelman on 2nd June
1875
> > in
> > > Colesburg.)
> > > her mother was ANN MCCABE, born 1820, and died 9th November1892,
buried
> in
> > > Nieu Bethesda.
> > > Ann's husband was a bandmaster with the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
in
> > > Colesburg and it is presumed he died there, but I have no further
> details
> > or
> > > leads.
> > > If anyone has any information, leads or suggestions, I would be most
> > > grateful
> > > Many thanks and best regards
> > > Lynda
> > > Also researching IMMELMAN, ACKERMAN and BARRY
> > >
> > >
> > >
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