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From: "Becky Horne" <>
Subject: Re: [ZA] War Dates
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 19:44:30 +0200
References: <CAELLKPDLJECFEABMBIACELKCAAA.hettascholtz@absamail.co.za>


Hi Guys

Wasn't a Peace Treaty for WWI signed on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the
11th month?
Or have I missed the bus again? :o)

Regards
Becky
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hetta Scholtz" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: [ZA] War Dates


> The following excerpts may help.
>
> ABW: 9 Oct 1899 Tvl send ultimatum to British agent in Pretoria 48 hours
> later they were formally at war.31 May 1902 eleven o'clock the night the
> peace treaty was signed.
>
> WW1 on 4 Aug 1914 the British ultimatum to Germany expired and the Union
> like the rest of the Britsh Empire was at war. 28 July, 1919), Smuts and
> Botha signed the Treaty of Versailles.
> Muller,C.F.J , ed., 500 Years - A History of South Africa, Third Edition,
> (Pretoria: JL van Schaik) 1969.
> the treaty was signed on the 28th June 1919,
> Van Wijk, Theo; Boucher, Maurice, eds., Europe 1848-1980, (Pretoria: JL
van
> Schaik) 1985.
>
> WW2 It was a divided South Africa which entered the Second World War on 6
> September, 1939.
> Muller,C.F.J , ed., 500 Years - A History of South Africa, Third Edition,
> (Pretoria: JL van Schaik) 1969.
>
> As far as I can remember the Second World War did not officially end
because
> a peace treaty was never signed. The defeated nations just surrendered.29
> July 1946 a peace conference in Paris, treaties with Germany's allies but
no
> treaty with Germany.
>
> Hetta Scholtz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Rodger [mailto:]
> Sent: 05 Mei 2004 03:10
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA] War Dates
>
>
> Various others have answered, but here is my two-bobs'-worth:
>
> I believe that, constitutionally, SA was at war with Germany at the same
> time as the UK declared war, because, although they were self-governing,
> SA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Newfoundland (then not yet a
> Province of Canada) did not have "Dominion Status" until the Statute of
> Westminster was passed, I think in 1931.
>
> In 1939, Newfoundland was a Province of Canada; the rest by then had
> Dominion Status and could therefore declare war separately, and did.
> Robert Menzies's speech to the Australian people on this topic as in
> error: he said (It is my melancholy duty to inform you that Great
> Britain has declared war on Germany and consequently this country is
> also at war." In fact Australia was at war because the Menzies
> Government had declared war in its own right, although of course they
> would not have done so if Britain had not. (His brother Frank, who was
> a constitutional lawyer by trade, would not have made that mistake; he
> was later one of the draftsmen of the constitution of Kenya.)
>
> Both World Wars ended on common dates for all the Allies (two different
> dates, VE Day and VJ Day, in the case of the Second World War), because
> the end of the war was brought about by the German surrender in each
> case and the Japanese surrender in the second case.
>
> On Tuesday, May 4, 2004, at 10:46 AM, Keith Meintjes wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have the dates (dd/mm/yyyy) of the start and end of the
> > following:
> >
> > 1. The Anglo-Boer War
> > 2. World War 1 (South Africa's involvement)
> > 3. World War 2 (South Africa's involvement)
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >
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