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From: Andrew Rodger <>
Subject: Re: [ZA] Re: Order of St Stanislaus of Natal
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:41:37 +1000
In-Reply-To: <002201c4786c$b4903fd0$318dfea9@pittfamily>


Thanks for the site, I haven't had such fun for years. I suppose that
there must be an adherent of the craft somewhere that can both spell and
write in coherent and grammatical English; if so, perhaps he (it won't
be a she, will it?) should be drafted as webmaster so as to clean up the
mess.

On Monday, August 2, 2004, at 06:42 PM, Ray Pitt wrote:

> Hello fellow list members,
> I found this during a google search
> "In so far as surviving records can prove, the earliest known traceable
> date
> of a Lodge of the Royal Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes is 1822 at the
> Harp
> Tavern, Great Russell Street near Drury Lane Theatre and was created by
> stage hands and theatre technicians who had been denied a long held
> privilege extended to them by the actors and artists of the day.
> An Order known as the City of Lushington existed in the late 1700's to
> the
> 1800's which consisted almost exclusively of actors or variety artists
> and
> held its meetings, mostly for entertainment and social recreation in the
> Inns and Taverns close to the well populated theatres of the day"
>
> The site is http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/Writings/buffaloes.html
> Kindest regards,
> Ray Pitt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Rodger" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Re: Order of St Stanislaus of Natal
>
>
>> I believe the Buffalos are of American origin (though in that case it
>> is
>> not clear how they would have acquired the word "Royal", or, if it was
>> before the Revolution, why they would have kept it), while the
>> Oddfellows (of various kinds) hail mainly from the North of England,
>> e.g. Manchester Unity. The United States has a vast number of such odd
>> societies, including the Elks. When I was in new Orleans in 1991 my
>> wife and I sat down in a cheap-and-cheerful cafe -- bare laminex
>> tables,
>> wonderful gumbo soup, you get the picture -- for a meal, only to fins
>> the place being invaded by a large group of jovial men in funny hats
>> and bright-coloured clothes who turned out to be in town for a
>> convention of one of these bodies. They were entirely harmless and
>> made
>> the meal all the more enjoyable!
>>
>> On Saturday, July 31, 2004, at 07:00 PM, Sharon Warr wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All
>>> There seem to be a number of 'alternative' masonic-like societies or
>>> orders - I say masonic-like because of the similarities in the way
>>> they
>>> are
>>> structured eg. men only, being inducted by traditional ceremony,
>>> traditional
>>> dress o uniforms etc. etc. One of my ancestors was a member of The
>>> Royal
>>> Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes (I kid you not!) and I thought it to
>>> be
>>> some
>>> local club or community society until I was told it was much more than
>>> than
>>> that. There are websites dealing with it but I don't have any to hand.
>>> Odd
>>> Fellows are another order which springs to mind.
>>> Regards
>>> Sharon Warr
>>>
>>> View 1800s SOUTH AFRICAN PASSENGER LISTS at
>>> http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm
>>> SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit
>>> http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Patricia Frykberg" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 7:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ZA] Re: Order of St Stanislaus of Natal
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well I have since discovered that there are branches of this order
>>>> all
>>> over
>>>> the place and the order has many followers here in NZ. With
>>>> investitures
>>>> last year. All with elaborate 'uniforms' for want of a better word.
>>>> So I
>>>> guess Royston got that from the Natal Branch.
>>>> I have emailed the NZ chief and asked him for more info.
>>>> Pat
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Andrew Rodger" <>
>>>> To: <>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:22 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [ZA] Re: Order of St Stanislaus of Natal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Whether Russian or Polish, one thing still puzzles me: why "of
>>>>> Natal"?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 29, 2004, at 04:03 AM, Patricia Frykberg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Keith yes it was originally Polish medieval. William Jervois
>>>>>> suggested the link with Russia and it appears it may also have been
>>>>>> Russian
>>>>>> then (1906-10)
>>>>>> I'll take a look.
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Keith Meintjes" <>
>>>>>> To: <>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2004 05:41 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [ZA] Re: Order of St Stanislaus of Natal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pat,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suspect this is Polish rather than Russian. Take a look at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.angelfire.com/realm/StStanislas/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which is probably not the correct organization, but you may find
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> their history.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =====================================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rosemary Dixon-Smith" <> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pat this query of yours has started a little vortex of interest
>>>>>>> here in SA - checked with SA Military History Museum who in turn
>>>>>>> spoke to some dealers - no-one seems to know why a Russian order
>>>>>>> should have been awarded in Natal. Does the Devitt book say
>>>>>>> anything about the circumstances under which Galloping Jack
>>>>>>> ROYSTON was decorated in this way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will do more digging if required.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Natal Mounted Rifles History gives a long paragraph on
>>>>>>> ROYSTON and mentions the Stanislaus order but no details as to
>>>>>>> the award or why he received it. Do you want a transcript of the
>>>>>>> information about ROYSTON anyway?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> R
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Patricia Frykberg" <>
>>>>>>> To: <>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:03 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Order of St Stanislaus of Natal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can someone tell me anything about this order which was awarded
>>>>>>> to Brig.Gen. J.R.Royston, CMG, DSO,VD.
>>>>>>>> It is included in the title of a book "Galloping Jack - Being
>>>>>>> the Reminiscences of......" by Napier Devitt, F.R.S.A (1937) I
>>>>>>> got extracts of this book from the Howick Library/Museum
>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>>>
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