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From: "Helene CLARK" <>
Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Humansdorp Baptism Register.
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:47:08 -0600
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Thank you Isebelle, very well put. Helene


----- Original Message -----
From: "OTTO KRAUSS" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Humansdorp Baptism Register.


>I have just returned from the IFLA conference in Durban, where ownerrights,
> copyrights etc. was an item on the agenda, I am waiting for the papers to
> reach me, but there is a lot of concern as more and more material are not
> going to be "in public domain" Unfortunately I only got a little of the
> information, and would hate to give wrong
> proposed legislation or rulings through.
> Basically, at present:
> Archives whether Church, or Government, are custodians or owners of
> material, they can place it "in public domain"
> or take it "out of public domain.".. plse note the "in"..at any time for
> whatsoever reason...that was the ruling until now, I believe that some
> records will now not be available for research....but plse let us first
> see
> what the SA Government and other International Instances have in
> mind....Some proposals were made, and some Genelaogical delegates were
> quite
> concerned..
> The DRC Archives have closed their archives for research, as a result of
> the
> condition of the books and registers.
> I bel;ieve as I visit more and more Repositories this will become more and
> more the rule.
> However light at the end of the tunnel for the DRC records, digital
> imaging
> are taking place at present...and you can access it through Gisa.....we
> send
> the images as we process them on a weekly basis....about 10,000 images per
> week.They also have a vast amount of films... of DRC registers, filmed
> about
> 10 years ago, .however all material available ' in accordance with the
> legal
> Agreement is for :
> personal research....or for prof. genealogists who are doing research for
> other people....are conditional...as set out by the custodians and owners
> of
> the original material.
> If we could have our way, there would be no conditions, the more people
> collect their personal info, or index material, the surer we are that the
> records will be preserved for future generations.
> May I just make another remark, and off my assignment, as a Genealogist
> of
> 44 years standing in SA.
> GSU first and foremost preserves records, make it availalble free of
> charge
> worldwide to all ethnic groups all
> people, and for the members of the LDS Church TO DO
> THEIR OWN RESEARCH..... nobody is going to grab someone elses ancestors,
> and claim kinship....or even enter the information on the website...
> WE also give all mankind the right and freedom to live their own lives in
> accordance to the dictates of their own conscience....thus the remarks
> about
> our standards in the manner it was done, are a little uncalled for, and
> not
> of genealogical value whatsoever.Plse aquate yourselves by using many of
> our
> websites, to know what the LDS stands for....before making statements that
> are less than true.
> GSU/Familysearch is a legal seperate company funded by the LDS
> Church.....through approx. 17,000,000 .members who pay their tithes and
> offerings to make this possible....for all to do their research.....
> Isebelle.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Ball" <>
> To: "Andrew Rodger" <>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Humansdorp Baptism Register.
>
>
>> Hello Andrew,
>>
>> AR> Old Parish Registers in Scotland are a public record. I believe
>> AR> the same is true of Parish Records in England
>>
>> I believe not. I understand that they are the property of the
>> individual churches but that they are encouraged to deposit them with
>> the local (usually County) Record Office (archive) for use by any
>> visitor to that record office. The Record Offices retain copyright on
>> material they store.
>>
>> AR> in the days before compulsory registration with the Civil
>> AR> authorities of all Births, Marriages and Deaths (1855 for Births,
>> AR> I forget the dates for other events).
>>
>> 1855 is the date for Scotland.
>>
>> Civil Registration of Births, Deaths and Marriages was began for
>> England and Wales in 1837, but, I believe, not made compulsory until
>> the 1880s.
>>
>>>> All sorts of things that used to be more or less free are now
>>>> charged for. Even where information is in the public domain, one
>>>> may end up having to pay for it. For example, the Scottish Records
>>>> office, under the name of scotlandspeople, charges for on-line
>>>> access
>>
>> Digitization of the records and the housing of those images and
>> indexes on a web site where they can be downloaded is anything but
>> cheap, the charges are really very modest. And all the documents can
>> be consulted free of charge at the General Register Office in
>> Edinburgh.
>>
>> The same goes for the Public Record Office (England and Wales)
>> digitization of the Census and PCC (Canterbury) Wills - the charges
>> are extremely modest compared even with a rail ticket to Kew from most
>> parts of Britain. At Kew the documents can be viewed free of charge
>> but photocopies are still charged for.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Richard
>> --
>> Richard Ball,
>> Norfolk, England
>>
>> http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
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