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From: "Chris Watts" <>
Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] GRO index and census returns???
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:00:44 -0000
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Soory Lynn, no. I have always used the service in person from the FRC - but
I do know it is avaialable remotely too. Try emailing the GRO and asking.

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: "Couperthwaite" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] GRO index and census returns???


> Chris,
>
> Would you by any chance have an address and a blow by blow account as to
> how
> to find this.......................every time I go to GRO research
> services
> all I find are links to ordering certificates with a GRO number.
>
> Cya
> Lynn
> Queensland, Australia
>
> Isn't genealogy fun? The answer to one problem, leads to two more!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Watts" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] GRO index and census returns???
>
>
>> The GRO for England & Wales offer a reference checking service - look at
>> their website for deatils.
>> You provide them with an ordered list of possilbe references and point(s)
>> to
>> check. Then they look at each in turn until they find one that matches
>> the
>> details you supply - then they stop. They make the normal certificate
>> charge for the corrct one plus a smaller charge for each unsuccessful
>> check.
>> Be careful though that you are VERY precise in your checking
>> requirements.
>> For instance if you say middle name = Ann then Anne will fail - unless
>> you
>> say Ann, Anne or similar spelling. And a carpenter is not the same as a
>> joiner - say joiner, carpenter or similar occupation...... etc.
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Karin Serfontein" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] GRO index and census returns???
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Heather and List,
>>>
>>> I would like to ask a question please, while discussing the census dates
>>> etc
>>> and all surrounding it.
>>>
>>> We have the wonderful privilege to do searches on Ancestry.uk and .com
>>> but
>>> how do I decide what birth certificate to order?
>>> I have been doing research for more than eleven years on my grandfather
>>> Frederick Ernest Smith, (I don't know where he was born) There are - I
>>> think - thousands of Freds, Fredericks, Frederick Ernest Smiths on the
>>> census returns.
>>> I had a lot of searches done over the years and had discovered that
>>> almost
>>> all the Fredericks have a second name but the second name does not
>>> reflect
>>> on the GRO index.
>>> I have also found a Fred Smith year of Registration 3Q of 1885 born in
>>> Islington volume 1b page 239 and a Frederick Ernest Smith born in
>>> Islington
>>> 4Q of 1886 Registration volume 1b page 239. Exactly the same volume and
>>> page number but different years.
>>> I can't find Frederick Ernest born in Islington ca 1886 or Fred born ca
>>> 1885
>>> in Islington on the census return for 1891 or 1901, unless I am making
>>> some
>>> big mistakes in finding him/them.
>>> It is just not possible to order all the birth certificates for the
>>> Frederick/Fred Smiths who are in school or visiting with family.
>>> With our currency being R14-?? to the Pound, what should I do???
>>>
>>> What must I do, please help.
>>>
>>> Looking forward hearing form you,
>>>
>>> Have a lovely day,
>>>
>>> Karin.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Moira
>>>
>>> In the 1841 Census respondents were asked to round their ages down to
>>> the
>>> nearest five-year figure but half did not understand or did not obey.. A
>>> person aged thirty-two, therefore, would be recorded as aged thirty, and
>>> person aged fifty-seven as fifty-five. Only those aged under fifteen
>>> were
>>> recorded accurately.
>>>
>>> Instructions to Enumerators in the 1841 Census
>>>
>>> DIRECTIONS
>>> Respecting the manner in which Entries may be made in the Enumeration
>>> Schedule.
>>>
>>> "Age and Sex" -Write the age of each person opposite to the name in one
>>> of
>>> the two columns headed "Males" and "Females", according to sex.
>>>
>>> Write the age of every person under 15 years of age as it is stated to
>>> you.
>>> For persons aged 15 years and upwards, write the lowest of the term of 5
>>> years within which the age is.
>>> Thus - for Persons aged 15 years and under 20 write 15 | 35 years and
>>> under
>>> 40 write 35 | 55 years and under 60 write 55
>>> 20 years and under 25 write 20 | 40 years and
>>> under
>>> 45 write 40 | 60 years and under 65 write 60
>>> 25 years and under 30 write 25 | 45 years and
>>> under
>>> 50 write 45 | 65 years and under 70 write 65
>>> 30 years and under 35 write 30 | 50 years and
>>> under
>>> 55 write 50 | 70 years and under 75 write 70
>>> and so on up to the greatest ages.
>>> If no more can be ascertained respecting the age of any person than that
>>> the
>>> person is a child or is grown up, write "under 20", or "above 20", as
>>> the
>>> case may be.
>>>
>>> "LEGAL AGES"
>>> If these instructions had been obeyed to the letter, only the following
>>> "legal" ages would be found in the 1841 Census:
>>> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 ("age as it is
>>> stated")
>>> 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 (age rounded
>>> down)
>>>
>>> However, a survey of the actual ages recorded in the 1841 Census shows
>>> that
>>> many ages were not rounded down when they should have been. Below 15,
>>> many
>>> were rounded down when they should not have been. This shows a
>>> misunderstanding of the instruction by the Enumerators.
>>>
>>> RESULTS of Survey
>>>
>>> The area was recorded by 33 Enumerators, of whom 16 were guilty of
>>> writing
>>> down "illegal" ages (ie. not on the list above).
>>> 1,336 ages out of 14,783 (9%) were illegal in this sense.
>>> Included in this figure, an estimated 300 from 5,276 aged 14 and below
>>> (6%)
>>> were rounded down illegally.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Heather MacAlister
>>> Channel Manager for www.ancestry24.co.za www.ancestry24.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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