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From: patfryk <>
Subject: Re: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Curious about Greeff family, Malmesbury.
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:28:29 +1300
Hi Laurence in Canada.
I have a James Chapman married in 1832 to Elizabeth Helena Henrietta GREEF
of Malmsbury. She died in 1846. James Chapman Jnr born 1831/2 became the
famous explorer & married Catherine Cecelia ROOME . While he was away on
his many travels into the interior (and at odds with his wife) he left his
sons to be cared for by the Greeff family especial the two Hendrik and Jan
Patricia Frykberg (in New Zealand) Connected this way through the Roome
----- Original Message -----
From: "Francois Greeff" <>
To: "Genealogy mailing list" <>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:50 PM
Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA] Curious about Greeff family, Malmesbury.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moira/Laurence" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 6:14 AM
> Subject: Curious about Greeff family
>> Dear Francois,
>> I am curious about my family history. My Oupa Jan Greeff lived in
>> Malmesbury. He was regarded as "Cape Coloured" but my father
>> Wilfred Norman Ferlis Greeff said that Smuts used to come by the
>> house. They were never allowed to go my great grandfathers house.
>> Could Hendrick Greeff be my great grandfather? I wonder if he had an
>> extra marital relationship that fathered my grandfather. Possibly a
>> relationship with an ex slave or descendent of an ex-slave.
>> I know we used to visit Malmesbury but my recollections are distant.
>> Do you have any knowledge of this part of the family.
>> Laurence Kenneth Greeff (Surrey, British Columbia, Canada)
> FRANCOIS GREEFF REPLIES:
> Hi Laurence!
> Thanks for your interesting letter. I have recently been looking at the
> very things you mention in your letter, but in this country one is no
> longer allowed to call a spade a spade. The feedback I can give you now is
> very limited, but in time we can work things out.
> There are not very many Greeff people from Malmesbury itself, since it is
> a very small town. Then, only some of them are on record in the Greeff
> family web site. They are:
> However, the interrelated Greeff family members seem to run all along the
> West Coast, in the main towns on this map:
> http://www.greeff.info/tng01/showmedia.php?mediaID=457 So what we do now
> is look at the people in the other towns on the map.
> van Rhynsdorp:
> One of the interesting members of the family is Johanna Cyster
> whose father was Cyster Cyster and whose mother was Sara Afrika. Afrika is
> not a traditional European surname, so one wonders where Sara Afrika came
> from. Their details are all gleaned from one death notice:
> Linking you to this complex family is not a simple matter, but it is
> possible. The probability of doing so rises dramatically as the amount of
> known information about you increases. Please download the form at:
> http://www.greeff.info/tng01/addyourfamily.php. Fill it in as far as you
> can, save it, and email a copy back to me please.
> By the way, Smuts was one of our relatives too. He was so very brilliantly
> clever because he had Greeff genes:
> Francois Greeff
> (SURREY, England)
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